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What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« on: June 04, 2007, 10:34:32 AM »
It's official..... I'm just going to have to take my kit and set up everywhere I play at! I used to try to give most places the benefit of the doubt. So I would only take my snare and pedal. Then I had to upgrade and take my snare stand and cymbals also. Then I had to start taking the cymbal stands too!

It's 2007 and most of the churches I play have sets that look to be from the 80s/early 90s with screws broken and duck tape all over them. Some don't even have thrones! Granted most churches don't have any money, BUT sets are much cheaper than they used to be. I saw a decent sounding Sound Percussion 4 pc. set with Evans heads on it at Guitar Center for $189!!! That would be much better than what alot of these churches have.



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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 10:39:37 AM »
most churches that dont have informed staff cant quantify an expensiv drumset.

A hammond, a keyboard, they can see the value. but drums? nope.

and if the start out with a good drumset, the guests be killin them.

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 10:51:09 AM »
most churches that dont have informed staff cant quantify an expensiv drumset.

A hammond, a keyboard, they can see the value. but drums? nope.

and if the start out with a good drumset, the guests be killin them.

I agree.
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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 10:53:02 AM »
I would only do that if Im playing the entire night.  If its 1 or 2 songs, I'll get by on what they have.  And if its a musical with multiple choirs, well, you can just forget that whole idea cause I'm not gonna supply a good drum set for 6 drummers to bang the crap out of.

Another thing is this.  If you set up your accessories when its time for you to play, when youre done, youre gonna look bogus if you try to take them and you know other drummers still gotta play.   ;D  Youre kinda stuck with letting everyone else play on your gear cause sometimes there just isnt enough time to switch out or break down.  Plus you'll just look bogus.  (If its more than a snare and a pedal.)

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 10:56:00 AM »
most churches that dont have informed staff cant quantify an expensiv drumset.

A hammond, a keyboard, they can see the value. but drums? nope.

and if the start out with a good drumset, the guests be killin them.

Exactly, nothing else to it.  I dont know why churches will buy a big, fancy church, an organ that cost 3 grand, keyboard that cost over 2 grand but wont even spend less than 1 g. on the drums/percussion.  They really need to stop this, it used to go on at my church but i've got my point across now.  If they had the money they wouldve been quick to buy a ridiculously expensive organ(we have an old one) but wouldnt even buy a new cymbal, why??? Because I already had some ?/? 

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 10:59:45 AM »
I would only do that if Im playing the entire night.  If its 1 or 2 songs, I'll get by on what they have.  And if its a musical with multiple choirs, well, you can just forget that whole idea cause I'm not gonna supply a good drum set for 6 drummers to bang the crap out of.

Another thing is this.  If you set up your accessories when its time for you to play, when youre done, youre gonna look bogus if you try to take them and you know other drummers still gotta play.   ;D  Youre kinda stuck with letting everyone else play on your gear cause sometimes there just isnt enough time to switch out or break down.  Plus you'll just look bogus.  (If its more than a snare and a pedal.)

lololol

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 11:13:52 AM »
What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??

It's official..... I'm just going to have to take my kit and set up everywhere I play at! I used to try to give most places the benefit of the doubt. So I would only take my snare and pedal. Then I had to upgrade and take my snare stand and cymbals also. Then I had to start taking the cymbal stands too!



...I truly understand.  I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music.  We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour."    (Drummers Not Included though.lol)

...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums"  speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\  LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.   



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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 11:22:23 AM »
...I truly understand.  I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music.  We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour."    (Drummers Not Included though.lol)

...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums"  speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\  LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.   






LOL!  JFunky, your church will buy a DW as soon as you take your kit home!  LOL!!!  ;D

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 11:24:03 AM »
LOL!  JFunky, your church will buy a DW as soon as you take your kit home!  LOL!!!  ;D

...lol.  Funny thing is that the above statement happens to be true to many drummers around us.  Just not me!! LMBO. 

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 11:28:09 AM »
...I truly understand.  I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music.  We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour."    (Drummers Not Included though.lol)

...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums"  speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\  LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.   






Hey man!!! Why you gotta talk about my church set like that...lol...We have the Pearl Expost series with the Big toms..Meinl ride..Sabian and Zidjian Crash and a Zidjian Splash..Still holding on lol
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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 11:32:26 AM »
Hey man!!! Why you gotta talk about my church set like that...lol...We have the Pearl Expost series with the Big toms..Meinl ride..Sabian and Zidjian Crash and a Zidjian Splash..Still holding on lol

Do you have 16" 17" and 18" rack toms?   ;D

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 11:34:52 AM »
Do you have 16" 17" and 18" rack toms?   ;D

Jesus................lol

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 11:37:20 AM »
...I truly understand.  I'm going to email DW/Pacific Drums, Pearl Drums and Yamaha Drums to see if they can give me 2 kits each so that we can go around and show them what good, affordable drums sound like and how well they'll fit in the music.  We can call this "LGM's Affordable Drums Tour."    (Drummers Not Included though.lol)

...I'm really not trying to hear all that, "We don't have money for drums"  speech when I look around and see Korg Tritons, Yamaha Motif 8's and Roland Phantoms with MPC 2000's and an Apple Macbook. :-\  LOL.....then you look to the CORNER OF THE CHURCH and you see a stinkin' Pearl Forum Kit with mixed brand cheap cymbals. Lol.   






man what r those in that boy's hands? lol them aint sticks........look like shanks.....

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 11:42:11 AM »
I'm glad to see your on my side JFunky! If everything else is going to be updated, why not the drums to??

Its 2007 and its sad to see that there are still churches out here with not even a drum throne??

And the church I was recently at didn't even have a carpet for the drums to sit on! So as I was playing, the drums were moving all over the place.

I would only do that if Im playing the entire night.  If its 1 or 2 songs, I'll get by on what they have.  And if its a musical with multiple choirs, well, you can just forget that whole idea cause I'm not gonna supply a good drum set for 6 drummers to bang the crap out of.

Another thing is this.  If you set up your accessories when its time for you to play, when youre done, youre gonna look bogus if you try to take them and you know other drummers still gotta play.   ;D  Youre kinda stuck with letting everyone else play on your gear cause sometimes there just isnt enough time to switch out or break down.  Plus you'll just look bogus.  (If its more than a snare and a pedal.)

I see what your saying, but wether it's 2 songs or 8 songs, I like to sound good. You never know who is watching you. Somebody might be at that one service and judge my playing by that one time on that horrible kit. So I'm really considering just arriving early and preparing to set up no matter where I go.
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2007, 11:49:33 AM »
I'm glad to see your on my side JFunky! If everything else is going to be updated, why not the drums to??

Its 2007 and its sad to see that there are still churches out here with not even a drum throne??

And the church I was recently at didn't even have a carpet for the drums to sit on! So as I was playing, the drums were moving all over the place.

I see what your saying, but wether it's 2 songs or 8 songs, I like to sound good. You never know who is watching you. Somebody might be at that one service and judge my playing by that one time on that horrible kit. So I'm really considering just arriving early and preparing to set up no matter where I go.

You shouldnt be thinking about who's watching you or thinking about someone's wrongful opinion about you because of the sound quality of the set.  Keep your mind on God and play for him regardless of the sound quality, do your best, and you'll be blessed. Simple as that.

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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007, 11:54:01 AM »
It seems as if its is getting worse.... I played at a church not too long ago and they had a Sound Percussion Snare drum, Pacific FS toms, A Sound Percussion Kick and pedal, Hi Hat stand with a broken clutch, and to top it off a Zildjian Razor Crash!! Yowza!! But the funny thing was that they had an HHX Studio Crash...!!! One of their crashes was soo far away, I almost had to throw my stick at it just to hit it!! ;D ;D
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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2007, 11:57:51 AM »
This is an all too often truth in today's churches. Several causes come to mind (we have discussed this here before a few times but it is always a need subject to discuss):

- The church is misappropriating funds by not fully funding it's music dept. It is also disrespecting the ministers/musicians of said instrument.
You cannot develop, keep, nor attract quality ministering musicians by having junk for tools. Everything on the alter/pulpit should be in order always.

- something in the bible about high cymbals and loud sounding cymbals... not hammond, LOL... sad truth.

- improper training/lack of knowledge in playing and maintainace by the previous and current drumset players which reflects lackof knowledge and accountability by the MOM and house... oops... sad but true, that is God's house - act like it. God created all things in all wisdom and knowledge. He then tells us through his servant in Proverbs to seek wisdom.   
If you don't know about drumset and percussion equipment it is because you are not seeking, period.

- Because the drums take the most physical stress impact regardless of how proper the playing, it should be serviced weekly, batter heads changed monthly and replaced say every 3 years if it is a mid-level (sub $1000) kit . Every 5 for a pro kit ($1500+).
Big, quality medium-weight pro cymbals should be purchased from the jump. Cased after each service or rehearsal. They should be cleaned weekly. At minimum overhead mics and monitors should be in place so there is no need to play that "hard".
Drummers should be contracted full amount to pay for replacement cymbals with automatic deduction from any payments rendered. Bronze last forever... There is no reason to hit a cymbal wrong and crack it, Learn how to play or don't be allowed to play. Simple. Everything should be done decent and in order. Breaking pies  (cymbals) is out of order. Demonstrates lack of control with he sticks and or cymbal technique.

I honestly think that the excuse that churches don't have money is lame, God ain't broke. They just don't invest it in quality drum gear nor developing quality drumset musicians. $1500-1800 can by you a nice mid-level to low-end pro kit with basic cymbal set-up. (ddrum w/die cast hoops, Pearl, PDP (7-piece X-7), Gretch Catalina with hardware if you research). That is 3 months tops of setting aside $600 in offerings need be.. but easily feasible to the annual budget.
 
I also feel that churches should have a "guest " kit set up to preserve the main house kit. If this is not feasible then the house should require guest bring there own cymbals and snare because the house kit should not be re-tuned by a guest nor should the cymbals be broken by them and not replaced by the guest.

Note to young drummers or aspiring pros:
You are known by your sound... not your licks. The sound of your snare, hats and ride followed by your tuning and other cymbals. Once you really mature you will be known for your technique and ability to pull your sound out of any gear (within reason) by how you strike/stroke it. Develop yourself fully becoming well-read and well rounded so as not to be a slave to the gear nor engineer.
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Re: What is with Churches and these OLD DRUMSETS!!??
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 12:02:40 PM »
You shouldnt be thinking about who's watching you or thinking about someone's wrongful opinion about you because of the sound quality of the set.  Keep your mind on God and play for him regardless of the sound quality, do your best, and you'll be blessed. Simple as that.

I do that at all times. BUT I've worked very hard at perfecting the gift that HE gave for me to go somewhere and sound bad.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 12:06:50 PM »
This is an all too often truth in today's churches. Several causes come to mind (we have discussed this here before a few times but it is always a need subjct to discuss):

- The church is misappropriating funds by not fully funding it's music dept. It is also disrespecting the ministers/musicians of said instrument.
You cannot develop, keep,nor attract quality ministering musicians by having junk for tools. Everything on the alter/pulpit should be in order always.

- something in th bible about high cymbals and loud sounding cymbals... not hammond, LOL... sad truth.

- improper training/lck of knowledge in plying and maintainace by the previous and current drumset players which reflects lackof knowledge and accountability by the MOM and house... oops... sad but true, that is God's house - act like it. God created all things in all wisdom and knowledge. He then tells us through his servant in Proverbs to seek wisdom.  
If you don't know about drumset and percussion equipment it is because you are not seeking, period.

- Because the drums take the most physical stress impact regardless of how proper the playing, it should be serviced weekly, batter heads changed monthly and replaced say every 3 years if it is a mid-level (sub $1000) kit . Every 5 for a pro kit ($1500+).
Big, quality medium-weight pro cymbals sould be purchased from the jump. Cased after each service or rehearsal. They should be cleaned weekly. At minimum overhead mics and montors should be in place so there is no need to play that "hard".
Drummers should be contracted full amount to pay for replacement cymbals with automatic deduction from any payments rendered. Bronze last forever... There is no reason to hit a cymbal wrong and crack it, Learn how to play or don't beallowed to play. Simple. Everything should be done decent and in order. Breaking pies  (cymbals) is out of order. Demonstrates lack of control with he sticks and or cymbal technique.

I honestly think that the excuse that churches don't have money is lame, God ain't broke. They just don't invest it in quality drum gear nor developing quality drumset musicians. $1500-1800 can by you a nice mid-level to low-end pro kit with basic cymbal set-up. (ddrum w/die cast hoops, Pearl, PDP (7-piece X-7), Gretch Catalina with hardware if you research). That is 3 months tops of setting aside $600 in offerings need be.. but easily feasible to the annual budget.
 
I also feel that churches should have a "guest " kit set up to preserve the main house kit. If this is not feasible then the house should require guest bring there own cymbals and snare because the house kit should not be re-tuned by a guest nor should the cymbals be broken by them and not replaced by the guest.

Note to young drummers or aspiring pros:
You are know by your sound... not your licks. The sound of your snare, hats and ride followed by your tuning and other cymbals. Once you really mature you will be know for your technique and ability to pull your sound out of any gear (within reason) by how you strike/stroke it. Develop yourself fully becoming well-read and well rounded so as not to be a slave to the gear nor engineer.



Well said Mr. Knight, Well said ;D ;D :D
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