Chevonne is burning on the New England Patriots

[Metronome]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT COMPARE RICE TO MOSS????? The thing that made rice a great receiver was dedication and perseverence, NOT PHYSICAL SKILL!!! There has never been a physical specimen like Randy Moss that played receiver let alone football (Probably Jim Brown, GO CUSE lol). The Bears would NEVER see anybody like him because back in those days 6'4" + 40" vertical=BASKETBALL! Ask anybody who REALLY knows football regardless of the qb or system who would you take, Randy or Jerry and I GUARANTEE you get more randy's.  Jerry played in the west coast w/ all kinds of good receivers and rb's and 2 HOF qb's, AND a bangin defense toget the 3 and out.Then he went to oakland and STILL played with a throwing offense and another HOF 1000 cathc receiver, with a good qb (gannon).  Randy played with Chris Carter (end of career) and robert smith (end of career) and Randall cunningham (end of career).  You cant even say Daunte because you see where he's at with no randy.

[sjonathan02]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT COMPARE RICE TO MOSS????? The thing that made rice a great receiver was dedication and perseverence, NOT PHYSICAL SKILL!!! There has never been a physical specimen like Randy Moss that played receiver let alone football (Probably Jim Brown, GO CUSE lol). The Bears would NEVER see anybody like him because back in those days 6'4" + 40" vertical=BASKETBALL! Ask anybody who REALLY knows football regardless of the qb or system who would you take, Randy or Jerry and I GUARANTEE you get more randy's.  Jerry played in the west coast w/ all kinds of good receivers and rb's and 2 HOF qb's, AND a bangin defense toget the 3 and out.Then he went to oakland and STILL played with a throwing offense and another HOF 1000 cathc receiver, with a good qb (gannon).  Randy played with Chris Carter (end of career) and robert smith (end of career) and Randall cunningham (end of career).  You cant even say Daunte because you see where he's at with no randy.

Uh, you may be reachin', chief. No one in their right mind would choose, in his prime, Randy Moss over a, in HIS prime, Jerry Rice.

What Randy has in physical gifts, Jerry makes up for in:

a. dedication to preparation

b. incredible route-running capability

c. the willingness to go over the middle

d. an awesome off-season workout program that players TO THIS DAY use to prepare for the next season.


Let Randy get a couple of rings (and into the HOF) before we try comparing him to the INCOMPARABLE Jerry Rice. 

[Bruh Kell]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT COMPARE RICE TO MOSS????? The thing that made rice a great receiver was dedication and perseverence, NOT PHYSICAL SKILL!!! There has never been a physical specimen like Randy Moss that played receiver let alone football (Probably Jim Brown, GO CUSE lol). The Bears would NEVER see anybody like him because back in those days 6'4" + 40" vertical=BASKETBALL! Ask anybody who REALLY knows football regardless of the qb or system who would you take, Randy or Jerry and I GUARANTEE you get more randy's.  Jerry played in the west coast w/ all kinds of good receivers and rb's and 2 HOF qb's, AND a bangin defense toget the 3 and out.Then he went to oakland and STILL played with a throwing offense and another HOF 1000 cathc receiver, with a good qb (gannon).  Randy played with Chris Carter (end of career) and robert smith (end of career) and Randall cunningham (end of career).  You cant even say Daunte because you see where he's at with no randy.

Uuuuhh excuse me brother........

All that separation you see Moss gettin'.........Jerry Rice was gettin' that kind of separation past his 15th year.
Rice was smokin' young cats when he played with the Raiders.

Let Moss............wait,wait..............all this talk about how good the Patriots and now you're trying to discredit that talent? Moss has talent around him as well. HE JUST PLAYS WHEN HE WANTS TO!

By the way........I'll add this......Jerry Rice made players around him better (Yong, Taylor, Craig, Garner, Porter).
That's what Moss would've been doing in Oakland (Jordan?, Curry?, Walter?, Entire O-Line?) if he'd played 100%!

You mean to tell me Moss couldn't run nothin' but a weak limp of a Fade in Oakland......but all of a sudden he goes to New England and he's having a hall of fame year?????? I don't think so!!!!!!! That's evidence that Moss needs Brady! Either that or he just takes plays off or years!

In reference to your comment about height..........Look up a guy named Harold Carmichael!

[Metronome]

Answer my question though...............REGARDLESS of the system or qb, who would you take???????? Rice had 2 HALL OF FAME QAUTERBACKS dude..............2......are you saying that Jerry has Randy SPeed???? Dont think so..................Not taking ANYTHING away from rice but he is a system player who ALWAYS benifited form the second and third receivers.......his last couple of years randy didnt have that and he STILL killed...........NO WAY he would have every record like that if he wasn't.......I SAID his dedication is what made him who he is..........they both are comin out of college (dont forget Randy wasn't a slouch) who do you pick???????

[Bruh Kell]

Answer my question though...............REGARDLESS of the system or qb, who would you take???????? Rice had 2 HALL OF FAME QAUTERBACKS dude..............2......are you saying that Jerry has Randy SPeed???? Dont think so..................Not taking ANYTHING away from rice but he is a system player who ALWAYS benifited form the second and third receivers.......his last couple of years randy didnt have that and he STILL killed...........NO WAY he would have every record like that if he wasn't.......I SAID his dedication is what made him who he is..........they both are comin out of college (dont forget Randy wasn't a slouch) who do you pick???????

Jerry Rice was nobody's system player! Please count the number of Hall of Fame WRs and Hall Of Fame RBs Rice played with....the wole career.
I'll do it for you.......Rice played with Tim Brown at the end of his career. Tim Brown is the only H.O.F. WR or RB he's ever played with!!!! that's not good enough surrounding talent to call Rice a "system player"

In reference to him playing with two H.O.F. QBs.
Montana was good without him......but the 49ers started blowin' teams out when they got Rice.....that's how they became the team of the '80s.
Young is in the Hall Of Fame because he had Rice to take attention from other okay players making them good players. i.e.

And this is gonna be my bigger statement of the day!

In '06 Randy Moss didn't crack the top 50 in receptions leaders.
In '05 Randy Moss was tied for 42nd in receptions.......tied for 42nd
In '04 Randy Moss once again didn't crack the top 50.

But back in '03......when Randy felt like playin'.....He ranked in at 2nd in receptions.

RANDY MOSS PLAYS WHEN HE WANTS TO!!!!!AND HE SUCKS WHE HE DOESN'T WANT TO!!!!!

[Bruh Kell]

I'll make my last point on Randy Moss before it appears that I just don't like the guy.

Moss is not good as the leader of a team.

Example: Jerry Porter showed so much promise as a young reciever when he played under Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Rice and Brown retire

enter Moss
.....And all of a sudden Porter has the nerve to let his attitude stink?!?!?

[Metronome]

Yo i NEVER EVER EVER EVER said anything about effort, or leadership, or any of that, Im talkin bout a player gfted to play WR, not who works or tries harder, OF COURSE its jerry on that.  How many players absolutely SUCK but are great team leaders? A LOT.  How many players are absolutely wonderful but the worst leaders ever? A LOT....How can you say he wasn't a system player?? In college HE was the whole team......in the NFL he had all kinds of weapons......more than Randy could dream of.  The 49ers of his day were comparable to the patriots today in the fact that you just COULD NOT guard them, and he had the D to back it up to keep his offense on the field over and over.  Back when he played their was no heavy league wide emphasis on the Cover 2 or really strong physical corners.......not including Brady, His qb's (young, montana, gannon) are WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than randy's (culpepper, cunningham, whoever at oakland

[sjonathan02]

Yo i NEVER EVER EVER EVER said anything about effort, or leadership, or any of that, Im talkin bout a player gfted to play WR, not who works or tries harder, OF COURSE its jerry on that.  How many players absolutely SUCK but are great team leaders? A LOT.  How many players are absolutely wonderful but the worst leaders ever? A LOT....How can you say he wasn't a system player?? In college HE was the whole team......in the NFL he had all kinds of weapons......more than Randy could dream of.  The 49ers of his day were comparable to the patriots today in the fact that you just COULD NOT guard them, and he had the D to back it up to keep his offense on the field over and over.  Back when he played their was no heavy league wide emphasis on the Cover 2 or really strong physical corners.......not including Brady, His qb's (young, montana, gannon) are WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than randy's (culpepper, cunningham, whoever at oakland

Dude, you can't make that argument. You're trying to take away from Jerry Rice because of:


a. where he was drafted

b. his teammates (mainly his QBs)



Rich Gannon, dude; seriously? He belongs in the same category with Culpepper and Cunningham but with a better arm, that's it.

I take Jerry Rice over Moss, even coming out of college because you CAN'T throw out the intangibles of a player.

Being a WR isn't JUST about how high you can jump or how fast you can run. It's about playing ALL facets of the game EVERY down. You NEVER heard about Jerry Rice taking a play off or playing when he wanted.

Steve Largent held all kinds of passing records UNTIL Jerry Rice came along. Largent was definitely NOT the fastest or tallest receiver in the NFL in his day.

JR could beat you downfield OR go across the middle (a feat that Randy REFUSES to try unless absolutely necessary, just check out some game footage ).


The interesting and boring thing about conversations like this is the fact that we have hindsight. Knowing what we know about these two gifted WRs is:


a. One is in the HOF

b. One will be in the HOF

c. One has more Super Bowl rings

[reg1985]

forget randy moss t.o. is better and he played with jerry rice

Dude, you can't make that argument. You're trying to take away from Jerry Rice because of:


a. where he was drafted

b. his teammates (mainly his QBs)



Rich Gannon, dude; seriously? He belongs in the same category with Culpepper and Cunningham but with a better arm, that's it.

I take Jerry Rice over Moss, even coming out of college because you CAN'T throw out the intangibles of a player.

Being a WR isn't JUST about how high you can jump or how fast you can run. It's about playing ALL facets of the game EVERY down. You NEVER heard about Jerry Rice taking a play off or playing when he wanted.

Steve Largent held all kinds of passing records UNTIL Jerry Rice came along. Largent was definitely NOT the fastest or tallest receiver in the NFL in his day.

JR could beat you downfield OR go across the middle (a feat that Randy REFUSES to try unless absolutely necessary, just check out some game footage ).


The interesting and boring thing about conversations like this is the fact that we have hindsight. Knowing what we know about these two gifted WRs is:


a. One is in the HOF

b. One will be in the HOF

c. One has more Super Bowl rings

troof

[chevonee]

I just have one word of advice for the Steelers

PLEASE DON'T ADD FUEL TO THE PATS FIRE....NO MORE GUARANTEES FROM NOBODYS
Ok I'm finished for now

[georgiagurl]

Man I'm witchu cuz, when iz these team gone learn. Letcho playin do da talkin. I wuz goin for da Steelers until I heard about dis. I thank dat this gone add fuel to a already hot burnin fire. This gone be a blow-out
Pats 70
Steelers 14

[chevonee]

Man I'm witchu cuz, when iz these team gone learn. Letcho playin do da talkin. I wuz goin for da Steelers until I heard about dis. I thank dat this gone add fuel to a already hot burnin fire. This gone be a blow-out
Pats 70
Steelers 14

I thought that the Steelers had the most legitimate chance of knocking off the Pats, but now I think that the Pats are going to destroy the Steelers. Cuz your score may be aiight I might say
Steelers 10
Patriots 44

[georgiagurl]

I thought that the Steelers had the most legitimate chance of knocking off the Pats, but now I think that the Pats are going to destroy the Steelers. Cuz your score may be aiight I might say
Steelers 10
Patriots 44

I hope they win every game dey play in da regular season, and den do like the 2005 COlts. Hey Vonne you got your green stars!! Congrats

[chevonee]

I hope they win every game dey play in da regular season, and den do like the 2005 COlts. Hey Vonne you got your green stars!! Congrats

Yeah I finally got my green stars, I'm soooooooo happy. I'm finally real....LOL

[reg1985]

Yeah I finally got my green stars, I'm soooooooo happy. I'm finally real....LOL

how do u get green stars  and what they mean

[pastor rob]

i hope the pats go undefeated. i'm tired of those old cranky man (fins) every year breaking open champange to celebrate. have they done anything else in their pitful lives since the 70"s?

also, who ever thinks that moss is better then rice, i got a drug test i want to give you.

lastly, not being a homer, i saw the 85 bears up close and personal. some of their players could ball today. wilson and marshall had the speed and skills to cover tight ends and backs. dent could pass rush w/the best of them (should be hof). hampton was a beast, fencik, great saftey. decent corners. they were able to play man to man because of that great front 4. the 46 with good to great players was made to stop any offense. hard to throw off of your backside. that being said, the pats (2007) might be the greatest complete team ever. time will tell.

[chevonee]

i hope the pats go undefeated. i'm tired of those old cranky man (fins) every year breaking open champange to celebrate. have they done anything else in their pitful lives since the 70"s?

also, who ever thinks that moss is better then rice, i got a drug test i want to give you.

lastly, not being a homer, i saw the 85 bears up close and personal. some of their players could ball today. wilson and marshall had the speed and skills to cover tight ends and backs. dent could pass rush w/the best of them (should be hof). hampton was a beast, fencik, great saftey. decent corners. they were able to play man to man because of that great front 4. the 46 with good to great players was made to stop any offense. hard to throw off of your backside. that being said, the pats (2007) might be the greatest complete team ever. time will tell.

That is so true...lol Did anybody hear that Curtis Blow rap that Mercury Morris did on Sports Center.... Evidently he ain't got nuffin else da do wit his tyme....LOL

[chevonee]

Looks like my prediction was pretty close 

[sjonathan02]

Yea, I swear I said somewhere in this thread that this just might be the game the Patriots came to their senses.

Could it be that the Patriots play to their opponents?  Time will tell. 

[chevonee]

Yea, I swear I said somewhere in this thread that this just might be the game the Patriots came to their senses.

Could it be that the Patriots play to their opponents?  Time will tell. 

troof