Gospel artist colaborating with secular artist...your thoughts?

[divinemusician]

Nah, its 2am I gotta get some sleep. I aint tryin to get fired for fallin asleep on the organ. I always enjoy debating with yall

I kinda agree with this. Yeah music affects our spirit, but nobody makes you listen to anything tht you dont wanna listen to. If I dont like it, I dont listen to it, therefore it wont be deposited into my spirit.
That is just my $200

i understand that... please dont fall alseep at the organ cause if you do that would be funny. can you imagin your head just going going going touchdown your head hits the organ and makes a loud noise... darn did i just fall asleep...lol

but that is the thing yes we have a choice i totally agree with you, however for the sake of the creator... the debate is whether they are right in making it and they are supposely Christians. that is like me saying i am going to sell drugs but go to church and be Holy. It ain't my fault people by the drugs that enter their body and destroy the very creation of God... wouldn't i go to jail for being the supplier? as well as the buyer getting in trouble for buying. All i am saying is this, we have to watch ourselves at Christains that we don't be a known hinderance to nobody or deposit anything that is not of God into somebody. Whether we are the supplier or the buyer... both parties are wrong for it takes two to tango... lol

[Brittsings87]

I'll say it again, Thats thier job! Say somone is a cashier. That doesnt glorify God. They are serving people who arent christians, they are not building up the kingdom of God being a cashier. How is that any worse than someone who does clean secular music in addition to gospel?

Good night Sistah

Mmmm....I may have missed your point, I'm not sure, and this really has nothing to do with the topic, but..... I have to disagree with this. What if it's a job that God did give you? Whether it be a cashier, telemarketer, lawyer, etc. Of course you may not always serve or deal with folk that aren't saved. (Like gospel artists). But I do believe that God blesses us with certaint jobs, that are in His will of course. And I believe God is being glorified, if you're showing up to work on time, not calling in ALL the time, not taking longer breaks that what you're suppose to, basically just obeying all the company policies. And you just might get blessed for a promotion.

You said that a cashier doesn't build up the kingdom of God?! Well.... I see any job that God has blessed you with as an opportunity to minister to someone, or just show some Godly love, even with co-workers. Another way it can build up the kingdom of God is by paying tithes from the job that God has blessed you with.

But for the topic at hand...... I'll have to continue reading the thread! lol

[under13]

Mmmm....I may have missed your point, I'm not sure, and this really has nothing to do with the topic, but..... I have to disagree with this. What if it's a job that God did give you? Whether it be a cashier, telemarketer, lawyer, etc. Of course you may not always serve or deal with folk that aren't saved. (Like gospel artists). But I do believe that God blesses us with certaint jobs, that are in His will of course. And I believe God is being glorified, if you're showing up to work on time, not calling in ALL the time, not taking longer breaks that what you're suppose to, basically just obeying all the company policies. And you just might get blessed for a promotion.

You said that a cashier doesn't build up the kingdom of God?! Well.... I see any job that God has blessed you with as an opportunity to minister to someone, or just show some Godly love, even with co-workers. Another way it can build up the kingdom of God is by paying tithes from the job that God has blessed you with.

But for the topic at hand...... I'll have to continue reading the thread! lol

But why is it different when the job is entails music? Lets take that same store that the cashier is working at to build up the kingdom. Say they have a commercal that needs music. If a gospel artist or a Christian sings a jingle for that store would he be wrong for that? Would he be building up the kingdom like the cashier is? or  is it different

I just really wanna know why everything changes when music is involved. Can someone please answer that? Then I will shut up.


To Each His Own. Each person should make it their business to mind their own business.

I think that quote sums up my point: Why are church folk so concerned with what Gospel artist do, and what others prefer?

[kodacolor]

I'll say it again, Thats thier job! Say somone is a cashier. That doesnt glorify God. They are serving people who arent christians, they are not building up the kingdom of God being a cashier. How is that any worse than someone who does clean secular music in addition to gospel?

As a cashier you may or may not be serving those who aren't Christians.  Being a cashier doesn't go against the Kingdom.  In fact by being the person God called you to be you can actually twist it and use your job to help build up the Kingdom!  There are some cashiers and customers who have convos and you can put God in the convo and help build the Kingdom that way.  You can witness to people on your job and build the Kingdom that way.  I'm a verifier for a telemarketing company and I heard recordings where the telemarketer would witness to the customer.  They don't have an all out church service (so to speak) but the telemarketer is planting the seed.  (sometimes it's the customer who does the witnessing!)  Personally, I have nothing against clean gospel music.  A person who does clean secular and gospel music is a crossover artist.  I doubt very many people have a problem with them.  But when you go from "Pra-ise the LLLLooorrrddd.  He has done great things for me."  to "Shake ya [insert deragatory words for female body parts here]" then that can be a problem.

Oddly enough my opinion on the matter is this; I don't mind secular artist being featured on gospel songs cause I don't know their relationship with God.  However there are individual cases that urk my nerves.  Like "You Saved Me" by R. Kelly was ok until I saw the video.  The video made it seem like he was making a mockery of people testifying about God's goodness.  When it comes to soundtracks, what you sing is going to correspond with the character you play so it's no big deal there.  (at least to me it's not a big deal).  Honestly, I'd be kinda wary if I saw T-Pain featured on one of J Moss's albums or on one of Mr. Talkbox's albums.  It'd think he was doing it cause he makes a load of money collaborating with other artist.

Whats the difference? They are both doing both.

I think we need to stop putting so much confidence and faith into what celebrity gospel artist do with thier lives. Especialy when it has nothing to do with us. When they do something even remotly wrong, we get disapointed. They are human just like us. We need to Stop looking at the artist and look at Jesus, cuz he will never fail us

The difference depends on your perspective.  If you're looking at a secular artist going gospel as a Christian you may see the secular artist going gospel as that person found the Lord and he or she is getting their life together and changing genres to show that they're serious about this thing.  If you're looking at it as a non-Christian you may see it as, "oh they're going to go sing all that 'Jesus' crap.  Smh.  I'm not listening to them anymore."  When a Christian sees a gospel artist go to secular it may be seen as someone who has fallen out of fellowship with God, and instead of dealing with it privately they go public.  Or maybe that person is going over to secular because it makes more money.  In any case their some of their Christian listeners would be disappointed that they'd rather sing about sex outside of marriage, violence, etc than about God. Non-Christian listeners will welcome them with open arms.  Yeah, celebs period shouldn't have to be the model you base your life around.  IMO, seeing someone in a backslidden condition is disheartening (even if that person is me).  The most I'm going to do is offer advice if it's not out of line and if I've been there and pray for the person.  However there are people who get so bent out of shape about it, it's like "chill, it's not that serious!"

[kodacolor]

But why is it different when the job is entails music? Lets take that same store that the cashier is working at to build up the kingdom. Say they have a commercal that needs music. If a gospel artist or a Christian sings a jingle for that store would he be wrong for that? Would he be building up the kingdom like the cashier is? or  is it different

I just really wanna know why everything changes when music is involved. Can someone please answer that? Then I will shut up.


To Each His Own. Each person should make it their business to mind their own business.

I think that quote sums up my point: Why are church folk so concerned with what Gospel artist do, and what others prefer?

Green:  A jingle is really nothing (unless the jingle is promoting ungodliness).  You can still witness and carry yourself in a manner pleasing to God to or around the people you come in contact with from the time you get the gig to the time you record the jingle. 

Blue:  Because music ministers to a person's spirit.  It helps feed your natures.  Gospel music helps feed your Godly nature while secular music (in most cases) feeds your sinful nature.  For me the jury's still out about 'neutral' music.

Purple: Lol.  I just wanted to know ppl's opinion on the matter.  If a gospel artist goes secular or visa versa it's not exactly prying into their private life.  What they do behind closed doors is between them and God.  What they do in public is still between them and God, but since I know something about it I'm going to voice my opinion. 

[docjohn]

WORD says "bad company corrupts good morals",I have no problem with gospel musicians who associate with wordly people.If LORD allows them to hang-who am I to judge,perhaps that friendship is going to be that "heathens" exposure to CHRIST "with skin on HIm".I have many friends ,patients,associations with wordly people.BUT!!! I am CAREFUL that my influence is TOWARDS them;trying to preach /show CHRIST;as PAUL said "being ALL things to ALL men-so that SOME may be saved."I do NOT want these "friends " to impart some of their stuff into my life.For example,I do some music with some JEWISH guys,have played some secular gigs with them,weddings,bar-mitzvahs,New Years,going away parties etc.At one house party.one of these cats was standing there saying "JESUS CHRIST" this,that other-probably 15 times;rapid fire in less time than it takes to write this.Each time I said "LORD and SAVIOR",at the end he finally shut up,I noticed all 4 of them standing looking down at the ground more or less unable to speak.I believe they were shown an instant of eternity,few minutes later they were back to regular things.Same thing with other relationships,JESUS didn't cloister HIMSELF away in a closet,HE met(and still does )people where they are at.We need to be careful as musicians about bringing secular collaborations into LORD's house ;especially if we lend them ANY "approval".For example-bono;he is very cleary NOT a christian yet his music has found its way INTO church.Have heard stories of churches alllowing heathens place of honor,leadership etc.because they can play.This should NOT be!!!!! As PAUL says "don't you have homes to eat,drink in?.Why come to LORD's house drunken,etc." These mixtures dilute the gospel,why mix clean/unclean.Here's a site that gives quotes from many artists about their spiritual affiliations   wwwgoodfightorg.com          We cannot escape the world,until HE comes we need to preach JESUS  ! be blessed

[docjohn]

soory about that link,didn't work.type in Goodfight ministries,Joe Schimmel-Simi California

[Fenix]

BINGO!!! I wouln't dare take job that goes against the Kingdom of God!!!  In all you do God should be glorified! I understand yes we all work and need money for this and that but when your job can be the differance somebody sees in coming to Christ and not... come on (no brainer)

we have excuses for everything, lol. but on that day there will be no excuse why we did what we did or didn't do what we was supposed to do!

they can take that same music and turn it around for God and God will bless... why do we think we HAAAAAVVVVEEE to do things against God's will to make money?

Did not the Bible say I never seen the righteous forsaken or his seed begging bread. And yes it did also say that God will cause the ungodly to bless you but guess what God didn't say you would have to transform into being ungodly to receive it the key to receiving that is LIVING GODLY AND DOING THE THINGS OF GOD

OK this lady is PREACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY YOU HAVE JUST NAILED IT!!!!

I don't even have any input in this. You have just preached the message i needed for today. God bless you.

[divinemusician]

To Each His Own. Each person should make it their business to mind their own business.

I think that quote sums up my point: Why are church folk so concerned with what Gospel artist do, and what others prefer?

i will have to disagree on this... Aren't we our brother's keeper? If we go on ignorning wrong and just having the attitude that it is not our business then aren't we just as wrong for not saying something. Grant it you have a right to your own business that is nobody elses but when it comes to the very soul of a person, our goal is to rightly divid the Word of Truth. If somebody is a child of God and we see them fall or do ungodly things its it not my Godly duty to talk to that person and make sure everything is going ok with them. find out whats up and why they feel they need to go aginst the word of God to do what they are doing.

Every job has its own thing. Like you can't expect a cashier to be or act like a CEO of a big time company their jobs are two different jobs what one does the other don'ts do. Both should always be professional.

Can we agree that music touches the very spirit of a person? If your answer is Yes, then that is the difference when it comes to music why people make a big deal Music touches the very heart and soul/spirit of a person. Wasn't it not David who drove out demons with MUSIC!!  THATS THE DIFFERENCE!

[under13]

I guess we have have to agree to disagree. I dont see how doing clean secular music is wrong. It doesnt affect everbody like it may affect you. If it affects your spirit then dont listen to it, but dont complain when they arent doing anything wrong.

 I guess you guys dont watch TV, cuz commercials are full of secular music. How can you criticize someone for doing secular music when you listen to it everyday? How can you critcize secular Gospel artist when you watch secular TV shows? (if you only watch gospel shows the disregard this)

On a related note:

How do yall feel about the Bible audio book which features Denzel, Nick Cannon, and Samuel L. Jackson? Yeah, the Same dudes who Scream Mothe****** in every film, are reading the bible to us.

[divinemusician]

I guess we have have to agree to disagree. I dont see how doing clean secular music is wrong. It doesnt affect everbody like it may affect you. If it affects your spirit then dont listen to it, but dont complain when they arent doing anything wrong.

 I guess you guys dont watch TV, cuz commercials are full of secular music. How can you criticize someone for doing secular music when you listen to it everyday? How can you critcize secular Gospel artist when you watch secular TV shows? (if you only watch gospel shows the disregard this)

On a related note:

How do yall feel about the Bible audio book which features Denzel, Nick Cannon, and Samuel L. Jackson? Yeah, the Same dudes who Scream Mothe****** in every film, are reading the bible to us.

I personally don't need anybody to read the Bible, lol. And you have to understand that was done for MONEY!! Not for the glory of God.

And you are right we are going to have to agree to disagree. I will say this the more you grow in Christ the more things that you use to do, you don't do anymore. To be honest the Bible says to arm yourself with the things of God. Get lost in doing Gods will, if we all really got lost in doing the Will of God, church work, ministry work, helping others, walking in your calling and giving it more than 50% of your time, etc., we really would not have time to dwell in or take part in anything that is not of God. What i mean is have you ever put on a program or was getting ready for a program or ministry event and as soon as you got off work you had to go to the church, or go this place or that to get ready or make arrangements for the church program/event and about time you got home you only had time enought to eat, then go to bed because you was tired or the for married folks eat, make sure wife/husband child/children was taken care of. You didn't have time to dwell in the ungodly world becaue you was too busy doing the things of God.

All I am saying is the closer you get to Christ the more your mind is consumed with bettering the Body of Christ or getting people to draw near to Christ. Your fellowship is of good things you dweel among the Saints and you minister to the ungodly. You strive to be more and more like Christ (oh I am sorry in todays time we call that being a "holy rolly")

Yes I have friends who are not saved and yes I talk to them but they don't cross me the wrong way, I don't partake in the things that they do. They don't come to me with ignorance and they respect my walk with Christ. They don't pull me but I pull them. Thats all I am saying, I am not standing in their way by being just what they are and callin my self a Child of God. I am telling you guys. Truly study Psalms 1. That book speaks to you. How many of us call ourselves a child of God but yet still do the things of the world to the point that the world sees no difference in us than they see in themselves. Now that is what we will be held accountable for as well. Standing in the way of sinners.