Gay Marriage

[malthumb]

THANKS Funkstrat!!!!

[COGIC4REAL]

...and for me common law is just as bad.  The bible also teaches against sex outside of marriage, so you gotta call a spade a spade on all fronts.  Legal whorehouses... the whole nine yards of stuff this country sanctions that is out and out defiance of the natural order of things set in motion by God himself.

LEGAL WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?  WHERE?  I always thought (at least in Tennessee) that as long as "they" are on the street, the City's budget will have a revolving, free-flowing account.  Now they have legal HOUSES for this stuff?  Yikes!!!!

[sjonathan02]

I would call what you just laid out a rational position when it is a position held by a Christian in relation to a Christian. 

When we are talking about the law of the land (as is the case with DC), it is intentionally focused on not making decisions based on one form of religion over another.  For the sake of argument (argument as in debate, not argument as in confrontation) suppose that two people who do not proclaim to be Christians decide they want to "marry".  My Christian values are irrelevant to them, but the law of the land where they intend to do this is not. 

We all are subject to two sets of laws.  The laws of morality as governed by the faith we CHOOSE to follow and the laws of the land where we CHOOSE to live.  For those of us on this site, it is safe to assume we're talking Christian to Christian, so the laws of the Bible are relevant.  Personally, I do not hold a non-Christian accountable to the tenets of the Bible I believe in if they do not, but I will hold them accountable to the laws of the land we have both chosen to live in.  In return, I do not expect a follower of any other religion to hold me accountable to the tenets of their holy book.

Great point.

[brutha28]

Sodom and Gomorrah


What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah? It is abundantly clear that homosexuality was the primary evil. The biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah is recorded in Genesis chapters 18-19. Genesis chapter 18 records the LORD and two angels coming to speak with Abraham. The LORD reiterated His promise to Abraham that he would have a son through Sarah. The LORD also informed Abraham that "the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous." Verses 22-33 record Abraham pleading with the LORD to have mercy on Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham's nephew, Lot, and his family lived in Sodom.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities — and also the vegetation in the land."

The men of Sodom and Gomorrah, thinking that the visiting angels were men, wanted to have sex with them. Those who attempt to explain away the biblical condemnations of homosexuality claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. While the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable, that clearly was not all. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah desired to perform homosexual gang rape on the angels. Also, God never declared inhospitality to be an abomination to Him, while Leviticus 18:22 makes God’s view of homosexuality clear: “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”

While Sodom and Gomorrah were surely guilty of many other horrendous sins, homosexuality was the reason God poured fiery sulfur on the cities, completely destroying them and all of their inhabitants. To this day, the area where Sodom and Gomorrah were located remains a desolate wasteland. Sodom and Gomorrah serve as a powerful example of how God feels about sin in general, and homosexuality specifically.



nothing else to say>>>>>> peace

Well said my man.  While we might not completely 100% agree on the NBA finals i can say i'm 100% in agreement with what you just said.  Preach on. 

[Fenix]

Well said my man.  While we might not completely 100% agree on the NBA finals i can say i'm 100% in agreement with what you just said.  Preach on. 

Thats...it? 

[brutha28]

Well said my man.  While we might not completely 100% agree on the NBA finals i can say i'm 100% in agreement with what you just said.  Preach on. 

In what other scriptures in the bible did God allow the heavens to open to destroy and entire city including men, women, children, and probably animals with FIRE.... and not only that tell them not to look upon it unless they be consumed and turned to a pillar of salt.  I dont thinnk i found one.  So my point is this, to criticize a person for singling out homosexuality is like criticizing God for singling out the homosexuality within Sodom and Gommorah.  I guess God should have been more sympathetic huh... NO.  God don't need no amens cause he's RIGHT all by him self.  I will continue to make a strong stand against ALL sin however HOMOSEXUALITY and lesbianism will be a greater stand for me because of what God did against it.  I dont want to have any sin in my life but i also want God to say that you stood up against that Homosexual spirit and agenda and didn't compromise.  If you are lacksidasical or non caring about this topic then you might as well be in a greement.  You can't be luke warm on this topic.

[joshuag]

Well said my man.  While we might not completely 100% agree on the NBA finals i can say i'm 100% in agreement with what you just said.  Preach on. 

Well thank you.....

[sjonathan02]

In what other scriptures in the bible did God allow the heavens to open to destroy and entire city including men, women, children, and probably animals with FIRE.... and not only that tell them not to look upon it unless they be consumed and turned to a pillar of salt.  I dont thinnk i found one.  So my point is this, to criticize a person for singling out homosexuality is like criticizing God for singling out the homosexuality within Sodom and Gommorah.  I guess God should have been more sympathetic huh... NO.  God don't need no amens cause he's RIGHT all by him self.  I will continue to make a strong stand against ALL sin however HOMOSEXUALITY and lesbianism will be a greater stand for me because of what God did against it.  I dont want to have any sin in my life but i also want God to say that you stood up against that Homosexual spirit and agenda and didn't compromise.  If you are lacksidasical or non caring about this topic then you might as well be in a greement.  You can't be luke warm on this topic.

So, when were you in California and D.C. to "stand against this legislation"; how many letters have you written to your congressperson? 

[brutha28]

Thats...it? 

[Incognegro]

I would call what you just laid out a rational position when it is a position held by a Christian in relation to a Christian. 

When we are talking about the law of the land (as is the case with DC), it is intentionally focused on not making decisions based on one form of religion over another.  For the sake of argument (argument as in debate, not argument as in confrontation)suppose that two people who do not proclaim to be Christians decide they want "marry".  My Christian values are irrelevant to them, but the law of the land where they intend to do this is not. 

We all are subject to two sets of laws.  The laws of morality as governed by the faith we CHOOSE to follow and the laws of the land where we CHOOSE to live.  For those of us on this site, it is safe to assume we're talking Christian to Christian, so the laws of the Bible are relevant.  Personally, I do not hold a non-Christian accountable to the tenets of the Bible I believe in if they do not, but I will hold them accountable to the laws of the land we have both chosen to live in.  In return, I do not expect a follower of any other religion to hold me accountable to the tenets of their holy book.

The Politically Correct thing to say is that our beliefs are our beliefs alone, and that homosexuals deserve social equality.

The Biblically Correct thing to say is that God's Word is right.  Homosexuals do not have the "right" to marry seeing as homosexuality is wrong.  Gay marriage is a step towards homosexuality becoming even MORE mainstream and more accepted.  THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT.

When the Law of the land is ammended to conflict with God's Word, as ambassador's of God's Kingdom we must speak up.

[brutha28]

So, when were you in California and D.C. to "stand against this legislation"; how many letters have you written to your congressperson? 

Have you heard of email????  Technology is great.  And i'm in Iowa i dont need to go to California, they passed that law here and we're fighting it now.

[brutha28]

Have you heard of email????  Technology is great.  And i'm in Iowa i dont need to go to California, they passed that law here and we're fighting it now.

Looks like there's been a victory gay marriage bill failed in new hampshire...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/20/AR2009052003662.html

[BigMike07]

I would call what you just laid out a rational position when it is a position held by a Christian in relation to a Christian. 

When we are talking about the law of the land (as is the case with DC), it is intentionally focused on not making decisions based on one form of religion over another.  For the sake of argument (argument as in debate, not argument as in confrontation) suppose that two people who do not proclaim to be Christians decide they want to "marry".  My Christian values are irrelevant to them, but the law of the land where they intend to do this is not. 

We all are subject to two sets of laws.  The laws of morality as governed by the faith we CHOOSE to follow and the laws of the land where we CHOOSE to live.  For those of us on this site, it is safe to assume we're talking Christian to Christian, so the laws of the Bible are relevant.  Personally, I do not hold a non-Christian accountable to the tenets of the Bible I believe in if they do not, but I will hold them accountable to the laws of the land we have both chosen to live in.  In return, I do not expect a follower of any other religion to hold me accountable to the tenets of their holy book.

I understand and agree with wat u said

[Fenix]

I see the other picture was edited out. I wasn't insulted though. It takes a lot to push my buttons.

[RMS2003]

I believe the scriptures talk about a time when good is evil and evil is good. You can't tell me we're not living in that time.

[gtrdave]

Whether my co-worker and his partner are married or not (I honestly don't know if they are) has NO bearing on the quality of my marriage.

It's not so much that gay marriage will or will not have an effect on YOUR marriage or my marriage. It's that gay marriage will have an effect on "marriage" according to what marriage is supposed to be.
Gay marriage is as wrong morally and Biblically as open/swinging marriages, abusive marriages, getting-drunk-and-going-to-Vegas marriages and so on.
None of them are entered into via the model that God laid out for us to follow. Worse yet, 50% of those who quite possibly did enter into marriage the "traditional" way have called it quits at some point prior to "til death do us part", thereby reducing the holy commitment between 2 people to little more than hollow untruthful words.
It's because of this that we can look at a supposedly committed homosexual couple and say things like "if only heterosexual couples would act like them..."

Yeah, you go on and use a homosexual couple as the basis for how things should be.
God wouldn't mind, right? Maybe He's looking for a new moral standard, seeing as how we can't live up to the one He previously gave us...

In some ways I welcome all of this mess. It simply means that we're getting that much closer to Jesus' return. And how surprising it will be for those "Christians" who will think nothing of taking a mark on their right hand or forehead, just because it will have no bearing on their quality of life...

[Incognegro]

It's not so much that gay marriage will or will not have an effect on YOUR marriage or my marriage. It's that gay marriage will have an effect on "marriage" according to what marriage is supposed to be.
Gay marriage is as wrong morally and Biblically as open/swinging marriages, abusive marriages, getting-drunk-and-going-to-Vegas marriages and so on.
None of them are entered into via the model that God laid out for us to follow. Worse yet, 50% of those who quite possibly did enter into marriage the "traditional" way have called it quits at some point prior to "til death do us part", thereby reducing the holy commitment between 2 people to little more than hollow untruthful words.
It's because of this that we can look at a supposedly committed homosexual couple and say things like "if only heterosexual couples would act like them..."

Yeah, you go on and use a homosexual couple as the basis for how things should be.
God wouldn't mind, right? Maybe He's looking for a new moral standard, seeing as how we can't live up to the one He previously gave us...

In some ways I welcome all of this mess. It simply means that we're getting that much closer to Jesus' return. And how surprising it will be for those "Christians" who will think nothing of taking a mark on their right hand or forehead, just because it will have no bearing on their quality of life...

Where you been hiding yourself?  Thanks for this post!

[funkStrat_97]

Looks like there's been a victory gay marriage bill failed in new hampshire...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/20/AR2009052003662.html

Don't shout just yet.  The bill got derailed because of language protecting religous organizations from legal actions if they decline to performing gay weddings etc.  This was a concern of mine from the beginning.  While I personally am opposed to gay marriage, my real problem with legalizing it is the impact that it could have on the church (and pretty much all other religious institutions) from a legal perspective.  We may loose our tax-exempt status, not to mention to potential law suits against chrurches and ministers who deny gay couples their rights.

[funkStrat_97]

THANKS Funkstrat!!!!

I hate worms.  But a can of worms every now and then will do you good (plus; I've heard that they are an excellent source protien and have 0 cholesterol  ). 

[docjohn]

Another aspect of "gay marriage" that's overlooked is the effect on children."Gay couples " then want to adopt(or co-opt) children;imparting their lifestyle and furthering their views (forcing in a subtle way) their agenda on the next generation.Every other culture, Christian or not that embraced this-Rome,Greece,etc.FELL into disarry.Isreal embraced the pagan practices and was chastised by the LORD.The USA is BEGGING GOD's wrath upon itself!!!!!!! HE does NOT change.