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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: trinatrine on November 06, 2007, 10:37:34 PM
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I have a big problem with some of the up and coming musicians talking like they know everything and thank goodness it's not ALL! >:( I have seen some interesting comments here on LGM on how they talk to the newer and not yet experienced musicians, young or old and they're just starting themselves. I have always been taught to respect your elders and/or those who have more experience. Those are the ones you want to learn from and even learn how not to make the same mistakes they may have. So with that said, no matter how much you THINK you may know, remember YOU were in the same position wanting to learn and YOU have not arrived to the point that you are the ultimate musician with ALL the answers! Respect. learn and love!!!!! ;) I am STILL learning and will continue to do so (yeah Key Wiz, I want my lesson and I'm comin' up there to Michigan to get it)
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I have a big problem with some of the up and coming musicians talking like they know everything and thank goodness it's not ALL! >:( I have seen some interesting comments here on LGM on how they talk to the newer and not yet experienced musicians, young or old and they're just starting themselves. I have always been taught to respect your elders and/or those who have more experience. Those are the ones you want to learn from and even learn how not to make the same mistakes they may have. So with that said, no matter how much you THINK you may know, remember YOU were in the same position wanting to learn and YOU have not arrived to the point that you are the ultimate musician with ALL the answers! Respect. learn and love!!!!! ;) I am STILL learning and will continue to do so (yeah Key Wiz, I want my lesson and I'm comin' up there to Michigan to get it)
great post.I know im still learning to.
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This is a big problem within our churches. As an up and coming musician I would never disrespect someone who can help me out or put me in places. In an industry that relies on networking you dont wanna "burn any Bridges".
Young musicians who are rude to the older band members and Church leaders should be sat down or suspended until they learn how to be humble. But this is the way most of the kids today act, they dont even respect thier parents and teachers so it's no suprise that they are disrespectful in the church
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I have a big problem with some of the up and coming musicians talking like they know everything and thank goodness it's not ALL! >:( I have seen some interesting comments here on LGM on how they talk to the newer and not yet experienced musicians, young or old and they're just starting themselves. I have always been taught to respect your elders and/or those who have more experience. Those are the ones you want to learn from and even learn how not to make the same mistakes they may have. So with that said, no matter how much you THINK you may know, remember YOU were in the same position wanting to learn and YOU have not arrived to the point that you are the ultimate musician with ALL the answers! Respect. learn and love!!!!! ;) I am STILL learning and will continue to do so (yeah Key Wiz, I want my lesson and I'm comin' up there to Michigan to get it)
You GO GIRL!!! Now THAT'S wisdom...remember, there's always someone way better than you, so be humble!!! lol!! Good post.
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I agree!!!
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I have a big problem with some of the up and coming musicians talking like they know everything and thank goodness it's not ALL! >:( I have seen some interesting comments here on LGM on how they talk to the newer and not yet experienced musicians, young or old and they're just starting themselves. I have always been taught to respect your elders and/or those who have more experience. Those are the ones you want to learn from and even learn how not to make the same mistakes they may have. So with that said, no matter how much you THINK you may know, remember YOU were in the same position wanting to learn and YOU have not arrived to the point that you are the ultimate musician with ALL the answers! Respect. learn and love!!!!! ;) I am STILL learning and will continue to do so (yeah Key Wiz, I want my lesson and I'm comin' up there to Michigan to get it)
Amen Trina! Spoken like A true Woman'd Of God!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't That Just Sound HOLY "(<<<<<<) LOL :D :D
Also Come On ^^^^^^^^^^ I'm Here waiting Then You Can Play And I Learn ;)
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This topic was very much needed...This specific situation is getting outta hand with us younger musicians..but it's not all of us..HA I've been talked about by some otha "young" local musicians for being too humble..but like you stated the older seasoned musicians are the ones you can learn from. Thats what I do ...and really no one has told me to...it just seems like it's the right thing to do
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Yeah we kinda got a problem with that here in NY too........its wierd though because all of the older seasoned musicians don't really come out lol!!!!!! So a lot of the young cats just have to shed with each other...BUT when the older heads come out all ears are open
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Yeah....Great Post Trina. I agree and I've actually seen it both ways to where a young musician or beginner will not respect a seasoned or matured musician and treat them like dirt and won't listen and I've seen it where an advanced or "well known" musician would kick a young musician off of the keys,organ or drums, and try to embarrass them when they were actually doing a great job, but because of the seasoned musicians "I've been playing for 20 yrs and I know it all" status....they felt they needed to take over at the time, the flow of the spirit is disrupted and the young musicians spirit is crushed.
I really have seen more of the younger musicians in the wrong in recent months and years, but It really does come down to just sharing the love of Christ and sharing the gifts he's given to us with each other to build the Kingdom of God. We all should respect one other because we all have something to bring to the table...... 8)
God Bless
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But why does it have to be an older person or someone better than you? What happened to RESPECT in general? I was always the type coming up on drums that respected the ones doing it before me, but also wanted make sure i respected the ones who didn't even know what i knew. Only because i remembered what it was like when i was there. A musician that has a good attitude about themselves is the one that everyone will want to watch......old and young alike. ;D 8)
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Yeah....Great Post Trina. I agree and I've actually seen it both ways to where a young musician or beginner will not respect a seasoned or matured musician and treat them like dirt and won't listen and I've seen it where an advanced or "well known" musician would kick a young musician off of the keys,organ or drums, and try to embarrass them when they were actually doing a great job, but because of the seasoned musicians "I've been playing for 20 yrs and I know it all" status....they felt they needed to take over at the time, the flow of the spirit is disrupted and the young musicians spirit is crushed.
I really have seen more of the younger musicians in the wrong in recent months and years, but It really does come down to just sharing the love of Christ and sharing the gifts he's given to us with each other to build the Kingdom of God. We all should respect one other because we all have something to bring to the table...... 8)
God Bless
Very true, I've been witness to this
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Yes It can and has (In My Case) went Both ways, There are some Rude old Musicians up here in UPSTATE NY, I don’t mind getting kicked off the Organ by someone who is more skillful and who will in turn show me what I was Doing wrong and How to incorporate “this” or “that” the next time I Play, But I Do highly oppose to someone kicking me off the organ and then telling me that I will never be a Good Organist or I’m dragging the Service or they wish I played the tambourine (All true ..the last one is kind of Funny…lol) I’m not trying to go against this Post because you have to Respect the ones that paved the way.. It’s a MUST! But I’m saying some of these Older Cats can Really Damage (and or Cripple) your Esteem!! I Used the Rudeness to better myself as a Musician….
STORY TIME!!
I Remember one Time when I had first started out, There was this Lady that asked me to play for her at a Musical and the Organist that was playing prior to me was a well known Organist Arguably the Best Old School Organist in Rochester. So I told him that I was asked to play for the next soloist, He didn’t take that to well So the Lady starts singing and Ends up in the Key of G, At the Time the only Thing I knew in G was minor Chords thanks to B Flat (BUT I AM IN ALL KEYS NOW SHOUT OUT TO THE “ARE YOU STILL TRANSPOSING POST” L.A.T 4 LIFE) So I was Sweating Bullets praying that I could get through the Song, Now instead of Ole Boy taking over or telling me where to go He gets on the Piano literally plays over me in such a tone that made everybody in the audience look in that direction in shock and as he’s doing that he’s telling me How I suck and I was out of my Mind to kick him off the organ (and I was… LOL) there’s more to that story but I’m getting mad just thinking about it and I May just swing off on that dude if I see him Now (that’s a Joke ….) But I Said all that to say; I think Rude OLD Musicians begets Rude Young Musicians.. Just my Take on it
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Yes It can and has (In My Case) went Both ways, There are some Rude old Musicians up here in UPSTATE NY, I don’t mind getting kicked off the Organ by someone who is more skillful and who will in turn show me what I was Doing wrong and How to incorporate “this” or “that” the next time I Play, But I Do highly oppose to someone kicking me off the organ and then telling me that I will never be a Good Organist or I’m dragging the Service or they wish I played the tambourine (All true ..the last one is kind of Funny…lol) I’m not trying to go against this Post because you have to Respect the ones that paved the way.. It’s a MUST! But I’m saying some of these Older Cats can Really Damage (and or Cripple) your Esteem!! I Used the Rudeness to better myself as a Musician….
STORY TIME!!
I Remember one Time when I had first started out, There was this Lady that asked me to play for her at a Musical and the Organist that was playing prior to me was a well known Organist Arguably the Best Old School Organist in Rochester. So I told him that I was asked to play for the next soloist, He didn’t take that to well So the Lady starts singing and Ends up in the Key of G, At the Time the only Thing I knew in G was minor Chords thanks to B Flat (BUT I AM IN ALL KEYS NOW SHOUT OUT TO THE “ARE YOU STILL TRANSPOSING POST” L.A.T 4 LIFE) So I was Sweating Bullets praying that I could get through the Song, Now instead of Ole Boy taking over or telling me where to go He gets on the Piano literally plays over me in such a tone that made everybody in the audience look in that direction in shock and as he’s doing that he’s telling me How I suck and I was out of my Mind to kick him off the organ (and I was… LOL) there’s more to that story but I’m getting mad just thinking about it and I May just swing off on that dude if I see him Now (that’s a Joke ….) But I Said all that to say; I think Rude OLD Musicians begets Rude Young Musicians.. Just my Take on it
Dang bruh....pm me the rest of the story...
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I have a big problem with some of the up and coming musicians talking like they know everything and thank goodness it's not ALL! >:( I have seen some interesting comments here on LGM on how they talk to the newer and not yet experienced musicians, young or old and they're just starting themselves. I have always been taught to respect your elders and/or those who have more experience. Those are the ones you want to learn from and even learn how not to make the same mistakes they may have. So with that said, no matter how much you THINK you may know, remember YOU were in the same position wanting to learn and YOU have not arrived to the point that you are the ultimate musician with ALL the answers! Respect. learn and love!!!!! ;) I am STILL learning and will continue to do so (yeah Key Wiz, I want my lesson and I'm comin' up there to Michigan to get it)
THIS IS SOOO TRUE!!! THANK YOU WOMAN OF GOD FOR US OLDHEADS!!! AND THATS A RAPP!!! Bishop Cole
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People have underestimated me when it comes to playing and try to play over me because I play pretty much basic. I have seen younger musicians try to play every trick they have just to show off. Most times I ignore it. If you are confident in your ability you really are not worried about showing off.
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I have a big problem with some of the up and coming musicians talking like they know everything and thank goodness it's not ALL! >:( I have seen some interesting comments here on LGM on how they talk to the newer and not yet experienced musicians, young or old and they're just starting themselves. I have always been taught to respect your elders and/or those who have more experience. Those are the ones you want to learn from and even learn how not to make the same mistakes they may have. So with that said, no matter how much you THINK you may know, remember YOU were in the same position wanting to learn and YOU have not arrived to the point that you are the ultimate musician with ALL the answers! Respect. learn and love!!!!! ;) I am STILL learning and will continue to do so (yeah Key Wiz, I want my lesson and I'm comin' up there to Michigan to get it)
it is interesting isn't it ? that's right T T. if we gotta bring'em back to the beginning where it started, do what you do. At times experience is the best teacher, and some of them are gonna go through before it hits them. some have and won't share with us either. See some folks have those skeletons in their closet on thinking they've arrived. If you open that closet door, a bone will fall out.
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the Organist that was playing prior to me was a well known Organist Arguably the Best Old School Organist in Rochester.
Thats kinda whack.........................just by the story I almost know who you are talkin about
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Thats kinda whack.........................just by the story I almost know who you are talkin about
If you were at that Edwin Hawkins Concert (Saturday) then you will know exactly who it is because he's the Organist there..
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HAHAHAH YEAH DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I played for The Master's Touch.........EXACTLY who I was thinkin. Like 5 years ago I seen him do that to a drummer because the drummer wasn't playin in the pocket at all. If you can play you good but if not he be for the kill
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People have underestimated me when it comes to playing and try to play over me because I play pretty much basic. I have seen younger musicians try to play every trick they have just to show off. Most times I ignore it. If you are confident in your ability you really are not worried about showing off.
Now this is it Doc!! This is what I do alot!!! Bishop Cole
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This is a indeed a much needed thread. And like Mysteryman has already stated, people don't want to learn the basics. They expect to instantly play fancy chords and runs, so to speak, but they're not willing to put in the time to learn the BASICS. You can learn all of the fancy stuff that you want but in the long run, its all going to come down to the basics. I've learned from more experienced musicians that you MUST learn THEORY. Now to be honest theory can sometimes be boring. It doesn't make you INSTANTLY sound like (Key-Wiz, trinatrine, soundofjoy, bishopcole, RayJ, mysteryman, ddw4e..etc) but if you learn the basics, eventually you will develop your OWN sound.
When I first came to LGM all I wanted to do was sound FANCY. But our choir started wanting to sing different songs and I couldn't keep up. I started asking for chords ALL of the time and then T-block let me know that if I ever wanted to be a REAL musician, I had to learn the BASICS first. Needless to say, I didn't want to hear this. As time went by, I started to understand that the only way that I could keep up was to learn theory. I admit that it was hard when I first started learning it, but now I can catch on to new songs better and I have become a better musician. So please listen when people try to teach you the basics. These guys have already been where we're trying to go. It may be hard to swallow sometimes but someday you'll understand that what they're saying is right.
God bless! ;)
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Its sad because I've this... Musician learn a LIL theory and think think they have become Walking Standards... Fact of the matter is that we should look to seasoned musicians for guidance and some may not agree but we can learn what and what to do.. What to apply and what not to apply.. Always keep yourselfs humble not before man but before God... Younger musicians should all have a seasoned vet they they respect or admire... DO your time so when you get there you will be able to say I did my time and gain the respect of the one's coming behind you... You gonna want that same respect
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This is a indeed a much needed thread. And like Mysteryman has already stated, people don't want to learn the basics. They expect to instantly play fancy chords and runs, so to speak, but they're not willing to put in the time to learn the BASICS. You can learn all of the fancy stuff that you want but in the long run, its all going to come down to the basics. I've learned from more experienced musicians that you MUST learn THEORY. Now to be honest theory can sometimes be boring. It doesn't make you INSTANTLY sound like (Key-Wiz, trinatrine, soundofjoy, bishopcole, RayJ, mysteryman, ddw4e..etc) but if you learn the basics, eventually you will develop your OWN sound.
When I first came to LGM all I wanted to do was sound FANCY. But our choir started wanting to sing different songs and I couldn't keep up. I started asking for chords ALL of the time and then T-block let me know that if I ever wanted to be a REAL musician, I had to learn the BASICS first. Needless to say, I didn't want to hear this. As time went by, I started to understand that the only way that I could keep up was to learn theory. I admit that it was hard when I first started learning it, but now I can catch on to new songs better and I have become a better musician. So please listen when people try to teach you the basics. These guys have already been where we're trying to go. It may be hard to swallow sometimes but someday you'll understand that what they're saying is right.
God bless! ;)
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People want instant. practice makes it better cuz you have accomplished something. Should feel like that anyway. I did. others too. the basics paid for this truck, that's what happened. anyone read music in these circles ? don't need to at times, depending on where you play at. OK,ok. uh oh , Bishopcole, rayJ, they got yall in the top 10 up in here. hollarrrrrrrrrrr.
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HAHAHAH YEAH DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I played for The Master's Touch.........EXACTLY who I was thinkin. Like 5 years ago I seen him do that to a drummer because the drummer wasn't playin in the pocket at all. If you can play you good but if not he be for the kill
Yes!! He was trying to get a Hold of Me a Few weeks ago to sit in for him…
You may know my Cousin Matt, He plays the Hammond out in Williamson, NY (where they had the Tye Concert) Him and Terry is Boys, I thought Terry was playing for Master’s Touch
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Amen Trina! Spoken like A true Woman'd Of God!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't That Just Sound HOLY "(<<<<<<) LOL :D :D
Also Come On ^^^^^^^^^^ I'm Here waiting Then You Can Play And I Learn ;)
LOL...LOL...LOL...LOL...LOL..LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is a indeed a much needed thread. And like Mysteryman has already stated, people don't want to learn the basics. They expect to instantly play fancy chords and runs, so to speak, but they're not willing to put in the time to learn the BASICS. You can learn all of the fancy stuff that you want but in the long run, its all going to come down to the basics. I've learned from more experienced musicians that you MUST learn THEORY. Now to be honest theory can sometimes be boring. It doesn't make you INSTANTLY sound like (Key-Wiz, trinatrine, soundofjoy, bishopcole, RayJ, mysteryman, ddw4e..etc) but if you learn the basics, eventually you will develop your OWN sound.
When I first came to LGM all I wanted to do was sound FANCY. But our choir started wanting to sing different songs and I couldn't keep up. I started asking for chords ALL of the time and then T-block let me know that if I ever wanted to be a REAL musician, I had to learn the BASICS first. Needless to say, I didn't want to hear this. As time went by, I started to understand that the only way that I could keep up was to learn theory. I admit that it was hard when I first started learning it, but now I can catch on to new songs better and I have become a better musician. So please listen when people try to teach you the basics. These guys have already been where we're trying to go. It may be hard to swallow sometimes but someday you'll understand that what they're saying is right.
God bless! ;)
AMEN!! I want people to realize that I didn't start out doing the fancy stuff. I learned, watched, respected and listened and it eventually became my own sound! I also wanted to add that respect IS the key to success in anything that you do!
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This is a indeed a much needed thread. And like Mysteryman has already stated, people don't want to learn the basics. They expect to instantly play fancy chords and runs, so to speak, but they're not willing to put in the time to learn the BASICS. You can learn all of the fancy stuff that you want but in the long run, its all going to come down to the basics. I've learned from more experienced musicians that you MUST learn THEORY. Now to be honest theory can sometimes be boring. It doesn't make you INSTANTLY sound like (Key-Wiz, trinatrine, soundofjoy, bishopcole, RayJ, mysteryman, ddw4e..etc) but if you learn the basics, eventually you will develop your OWN sound.
When I first came to LGM all I wanted to do was sound FANCY. But our choir started wanting to sing different songs and I couldn't keep up. I started asking for chords ALL of the time and then T-block let me know that if I ever wanted to be a REAL musician, I had to learn the BASICS first. Needless to say, I didn't want to hear this. As time went by, I started to understand that the only way that I could keep up was to learn theory. I admit that it was hard when I first started learning it, but now I can catch on to new songs better and I have become a better musician. So please listen when people try to teach you the basics. These guys have already been where we're trying to go. It may be hard to swallow sometimes but someday you'll understand that what they're saying is right.
God bless! ;)
Chevonee, you are so correct!! I stress this same philosophy to all of my students all the time... "LEARN THE BASICS FIRST" . I cannot stand to hear a person that can play all of the fancy chords but cannot play a simple hymn!! I will continue to stress this to all that I meet as well as I know for a fact that myself and Key-Wiz, Trina-Trine, MM, H313, as well as many others that I have talked to, stress this same philosophy!!! God bless you, AND THATS A REAL RAPP!!! ;) Bishop Cole
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Its sad because I've this... Musician learn a LIL theory and think think they have become Walking Standards... Fact of the matter is that we should look to seasoned musicians for guidance and some may not agree but we can learn what and what to do.. What to apply and what not to apply.. Always keep yourselfs humble not before man but before God... Younger musicians should all have a seasoned vet they they respect or admire... DO your time so when you get there you will be able to say I did my time and gain the respect of the one's coming behind you... You gonna want that same respect
GREATLY STATED FROM A GREAT MAN OF GOD!!! GGGGGGJJJJJJJJ!!!!! Bishop Cole
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GREATLY STATED FROM A GREAT MAN OF GOD!!! GGGGGGJJJJJJJJ!!!!! Bishop Cole
Thanks man just keeping it real... Be sure to check out the thread i posted doc
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Man and woman'd of God ? yall a trip. i ain't messing with yall. I'm staying on your good side.
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Man and woman'd of God ? yall a trip. i ain't messing with yall. I'm staying on your good side.
HAROLD.... U SILLY!!!!!! AND THATS A REAL RAPP!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Bishop Cole
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Hey do you think the young folks have decorum ? Let's look around. There are a few that are ministers of music at their place, and if they were at a place where there is a BIG CHALLENGE in keeping choir members present, going on with THEIR program although pastor isn't fully supporting them, people boycotting rehearsals, etc. they prolly wouldn't last long. See I see them when the the chairman gives them a pink slip. So, they will go back to just playing, which is easy. Extra Responsibility turns some of them away, so they don' really have.. see experience is the best teacher in this field, and until they can give what the church is asking for (type of music) I think they will humble themselves before speaking about they know more than you. They will stay within their lanes, cuz places like Episcopalian, Catholic ( not Roman ), presby, AME (Zion), primitive baptist, SDA, they want certain things. Might be a possibility that a seasoned person would be employed right ?
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Hey do you think the young folks have decorum ? Let's look around. There are a few that are ministers of music at their place, and if they were at a place where there is a BIG CHALLENGE in keeping choir members present, going on with THEIR program although pastor isn't fully supporting them, people boycotting rehearsals, etc. they prolly wouldn't last long. See I see them when the the chairman gives them a pink slip. So, they will go back to just playing, which is easy. Extra Responsibility turns some of them away, so they don' really have.. see experience is the best teacher in this field, and until they can give what the church is asking for (type of music) I think they will humble themselves before speaking about they know more than you. They will stay within their lanes, cuz places like Episcopalian, Catholic ( not Roman ), presby, AME (Zion), primitive baptist, SDA, they want certain things. Might be a possibility that a seasoned person would be employed right ?
In the key of Eb maj. Well...well. well weeeeeelllllll! ;)
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This is a indeed a much needed thread. And like Mysteryman has already stated, people don't want to learn the basics. They expect to instantly play fancy chords and runs, so to speak, but they're not willing to put in the time to learn the BASICS. You can learn all of the fancy stuff that you want but in the long run, its all going to come down to the basics. I've learned from more experienced musicians that you MUST learn THEORY. Now to be honest theory can sometimes be boring. It doesn't make you INSTANTLY sound like (Key-Wiz, trinatrine, soundofjoy, bishopcole, RayJ, mysteryman, ddw4e..etc) but if you learn the basics, eventually you will develop your OWN sound.
When I first came to LGM all I wanted to do was sound FANCY. But our choir started wanting to sing different songs and I couldn't keep up. I started asking for chords ALL of the time and then T-block let me know that if I ever wanted to be a REAL musician, I had to learn the BASICS first. Needless to say, I didn't want to hear this. As time went by, I started to understand that the only way that I could keep up was to learn theory. I admit that it was hard when I first started learning it, but now I can catch on to new songs better and I have become a better musician. So please listen when people try to teach you the basics. These guys have already been where we're trying to go. It may be hard to swallow sometimes but someday you'll understand that what they're saying is right.
God bless! ;)
Preach it cuz. ;D
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Whew, I'm not used to being called "Older Musician" yet ;D I guess I have to go back into the gym and get those "Just for Men" products :)
Seriously though, I can see how today's young musician head can swell because theres no " seasoned " musician around to put them muscially in their place. I look at all the youtube posts from the young musicians and there are some real talented guys and girls out there but, theres a few who need much prayer and practice. I offer this challenge, if you think you're all that and a bag a chips, lets see you post a video on youtube. Play a hymn, a spiritual, a contemporary gospel and traditional gospel selection and let us decide if you're the next big thing. No ringers allowed. What you think?
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Whew, I'm not used to being called "Older Musician" yet ;D I guess I have to go back into the gym and get those "Just for Men" products :)
Seriously though, I can see how today's young musician head can swell because theres no " seasoned " musician around to put them muscially in their place. I look at all the youtube posts from the young musicians and there are some real talented guys and girls out there but, theres a few who need much prayer and practice. I offer this challenge, if you think you're all that and a bag a chips, lets see you post a video on youtube. Play a hymn, a spiritual, a contemporary gospel and traditional gospel selection and let us decide if you're the next big thing. No ringers allowed. What you think?
I think you're right! The hymn is the foundation of the church. I love the new stuff out there but I'm a Mattie Moss Clark fanatic when it comes to music. And most do not remember those anthems like "Genesis" or "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" but I have a choir that does anthems, spiritual, hymns, etc. so that we can have a balance. My father (who's a musicians) always tells me to be unpredictable with your selection and it works! Thanks for sharing. And no, you're not old at all. You're in the experienced category ;)
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Seriously though, I can see how today's young musician head can swell because theres no " seasoned " musician around to put them muscially in their place. I look at all the youtube posts from the young musicians and there are some real talented guys and girls out there but, theres a few who need much prayer and practice. I offer this challenge, if you think you're all that and a bag a chips, lets see you post a video on youtube. Play a hymn, a spiritual, a contemporary gospel and traditional gospel selection and let us decide if you're the next big thing. No ringers allowed. What you think?
I remember a while back we had a guest evangelist preach on sunday morning, She brings a young guy to play for her, When she gets up to preach Young dude SLIDES the older musician off the organ, no handshake or nuthin. He plays some nice preacher chords, a hot shout, but when the bishop ends the shout and goes into a hymn, homeboy was LOST, you know what hapens next, The older musician then Slides the young guy off the organ and finishes the hymn perfectly.
Me personaly I respect all musicians no matter thier age, playing level or style, cuz i can learn something from them all. But its hard to respect other musicians when they dont respect you
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I agree based on experience:
When going to different churches you have to learn and play different kinds of music that fit the churches profile.
Now the position that I am in is that I love traditional and comptempory and anything else I could get my hands on.
Now when an older musician comes along, plays the organ and traditional I have to respect him for what he does. When come to relief the musician I shake his or her hand becuase it's show that I am friendly and I am glad that I met him or her also it repersents musicianship.
But I can back up my claim when I say that when the preacher is done and hymn is being song I will back up that preacher. If I didn't know a hymn, then I will admit my mistakes and allow the musician that I relief so give me a hand.
That way I can learn how he played it and for me to practice until its engrain.
But as repect, I always give respect to young and to the wise.
And By the way: Your not old, your wise. :)
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People have underestimated me when it comes to playing and try to play over me because I play pretty much basic. I have seen younger musicians try to play every trick they have just to show off. Most times I ignore it. If you are confident in your ability you really are not worried about showing off.
Preach the word bro... :)
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Be Watchful of the musicians who
1. Are so quick to Boost themselvess
2.Play trick trick till u get dizzy (most time they dont have chords and placement)
3. Grade everybody else when they play
Know matter what age... I feel you should respect the next musician...
We were created by the same FATHER... SERVE THE SAME FATHER..gift given from the SAME FATHER...
So why is spiritual warfare going on among the Levites instead of unbelievers and believers...Jealousy should be a dead issue.. But because of jealousy, envy etc.
These issues will have you operating as a musician when you are suppose to be a minstrel... But you cant play from the spirit draining you brain or playing by intellect to impress other...
End the end its just like candy... to much will give u a cavity...
So if you see a seasoned musician... ask question, listen to them and if they are now playin o ur level then take in that foundation because otherwise you will be playing a bunch of embellishment the you wont understand and you real really look and sound ummm well strange...
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Amen G
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Doc jus speakin my mind....
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Doc jus speakin my mind....
Doc, speak your mind for us 'OLD FOLK'!! ;) AND THATS A REAL RAPP!!! Bishop Cole
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I wish I had a more seasoned musician around me right now! a mother of the church was asked to sing a solo she walked up to me and said "im gonna sing you cant hurry God" Lost dont even describe what i was. Hopefully all the "younger cats" are taking the time to read good posts like this one...Too much wisdom out there not to want to respect an older musician-
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Doc, speak your mind for us 'OLD FOLK'!! ;) AND THATS A REAL RAPP!!! Bishop Cole
na doc you gotta word....lol
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Just a side note you can be 49 and still be a younger musician. ;D true growth is determined by studying the word of God, staying humble, discernment, and thoery. Not by how many notches you have or who you've played for. I mean it helps but as a relatively young (22) musician I rather see a sermon than hear one. ya dig?
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na doc you gotta word....lol
AND YOU KNOW THIS G!!!!! AND THATS A REALL RAPP!!! Bishop Cole 8)
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People have underestimated me when it comes to playing and try to play over me because I play pretty much basic. I have seen younger musicians try to play every trick they have just to show off. Most times I ignore it. If you are confident in your ability you really are not worried about showing off.
U play basic :o :P
I hold a different opinion to yours.
If U think you play basic, I wonder where I'd be rated :P
Man U can play those keys 8)
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U play basic :o :P
I hold a different opinion to yours.
If U think you play basic, I wonder where I'd be rated :P
Man U can play those keys 8)
I think he was saying that he just holds back, instead of playing "out there"
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This is a indeed a much needed thread. And like Mysteryman has already stated, people don't want to learn the basics. They expect to instantly play fancy chords and runs, so to speak, but they're not willing to put in the time to learn the BASICS.
I got over this upon discovery of this site, thanks to some wise posts by LGMers.
You can learn all of the fancy stuff that you want but in the long run, its all going to come down to the basics. I've learned from more experienced musicians that you MUST learn THEORY.
That's what I've been trying to tell our guys who are still playing in one key (but ought to now be playing in all the keys) & my sister who dropped her classics lessons a year ago but is now ready to take piano lessons (She is so good in Ab when she's practiced& in C as well, but I keep telling her she'll be a maestro if she practiced in all the keys (in that odd day she opts to practice :P) & stopped transposing all the time..
But as I get better I think she's starting to get what I'll be saying to her.
Now to be honest theory can sometimes be boring. It doesn't make you INSTANTLY sound like (Key-Wiz, trinatrine, soundofjoy, bishopcole, RayJ, mysteryman, ddw4e..etc) but if you learn the basics, eventually you will develop your OWN sound.
Oh really ?/? :D
I know what U mean.
But trying to thing back, I've enjoyed everybit of theory I've covered--Even learning how to read sheet music etc 8)
Maybe it's because @ the back of my head, I always knew that the only way I could ever be an accomplished musician was if I knew my theory well ...(oh, & then be able to apply it well :P).& every bit of theory I learn takes me closer to my destination...
Theory is FUN (ok, rephrase: FUN= CAPTIVATING 8) & EMPOWERING. ;D
When I first came to LGM all I wanted to do was sound FANCY.
God bless! ;)
Oops! that's me as well :-\ :-[ :D
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I think he was saying that he just holds back, instead of playing "out there"
Thanks for that..
I get it..but still, if he plays like some he does in those midis I've heard, then man do those young cats really play to show off :P
1 lesson I've learnt from a humble pro is that U don't just do "crazy stuff" in a song for the sake of crazy stuff.
Do it when appropriate, not to show off what U can do..
Man, U'r a true musician..
I just love sucking wisdom from those "old" musicians who want to "pass on"...
Never mind those who try to crush our spirits & self-esteem--I also take the good bit I can from them& move on.
1 day I'll be an "old cat" like y'all ;D :D
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Now when young cat musician thinks they are all that and bag of tricks. This old Pro has trick up his sleve to finished the job.
I don't like to compete because there is no purpose. I mean I am on one mission one mission only is the preach the word through music.
Now if it gets to the point that I have young cat who doesn't like be cool well I am not alone. Well I have full band that will pull all the stops to make him and the church look bad.
And when we are done well like bishop cole saids, "THATS A REAL RAPP"
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Now when young cat musician thinks they are all that and bag of tricks. This old Pro has trick up his sleve to finished the job.
I don't like to compete because there is no purpose. I mean I am on one mission one mission only is the preach the word through music.
Now if it gets to the point that I have young cat who doesn't like be cool well I am not alone. Well I have full band that will pull all the stops to make him and the church look bad.
And when we are done well like bishop cole saids, "THATS A REAL RAPP"
Thank you Bishop!!! Bishop Cole 8)
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Coming to think of it, it's a bit childish to show off ( which is not good anyway & unGodly!).
why is it childish & foolish:
1) By showing off, U are proclaiming to everyone who is listening that" I am a maestro in this game/ office" (but I think a show-offer treats it as a game rather than a ministry :().
--Immediately people have high expectations of you each time U sit in front of that machine.
If your business is to show off, 1 day, you will be highly embarrased because either some1 better will come 4 show & make U eat dust, or you will be expected to play "that cool stuff U always play" & you'll perform below par..the rest is :'(
---1 pastor told me this 2 weeks ago:
To get pressure off your shoulders, if you are driving a Merc, just put an "L" sign to indicate that you are a learner (even if you're not)..
U can draw your own inferences on the meaning of this Merc story ;)
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AND YOU KNOW THIS G!!!!! AND THATS A REALL RAPP!!! Bishop Cole 8)
Come and share the wealth
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Come and share the wealth
G, I am going to try and make it to your birthday jam! I will in Ohio in April! Bishop Cole 8)
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G, I am going to try and make it to your birthday jam! I will in Ohio in April! Bishop Cole 8)
Man i would be honored doc
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O my gush. That was deep. I really really agree with that post. I've been playing for 13 year. I'm and now 20 and I respect all the elder musicans b/c they know more then we know even if we don't thank that they do. The sky is the limits off what you can learn on organ so use younger and begginer musican should have respect 4 the 1's how played long then use or have mow exerperince.
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O my gush. That was deep. I really really agree with that post. I've been playing for 13 year. I'm and now 20 and I respect all the elder musicans b/c they know more then we know even if we don't thank that they do. The sky is the limits off what you can learn on organ so use younger and begginer musican should have respect 4 the 1's how played long then use or have mow exerperince.
Thank you my young brother!! AND THATS A REALL RAPP!! Bishop Cole 8)
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I have a big problem with some of the up and coming musicians talking like they know everything and thank goodness it's not ALL! >:( I have seen some interesting comments here on LGM on how they talk to the newer and not yet experienced musicians, young or old and they're just starting themselves. I have always been taught to respect your elders and/or those who have more experience. Those are the ones you want to learn from and even learn how not to make the same mistakes they may have. So with that said, no matter how much you THINK you may know, remember YOU were in the same position wanting to learn and YOU have not arrived to the point that you are the ultimate musician with ALL the answers! Respect. learn and love!!!!! ;) I am STILL learning and will continue to do so (yeah Key Wiz, I want my lesson and I'm comin' up there to Michigan to get it)
that's true, but there are some of these old folks that need to know when to GIVE IT UP... And I mean no disrespect to them, but I had a fellow rejoin our church after about 15 years, who's style I couldn't get with... Now I had been playing at my church alone for at least 3 years (8 years total) before he showed up... and I got a style that me and the praise team and choir are used to... You think I'm finna sit back and let him takeover the music because he been playing since before I was born?? I had to let him know, respectfully, that we can't get with his style (He played them OLD, OLD, OLD, RUSTY chords... we done came a LONG way since then)... And that while his service to the church back then is appreciated, times have changed and there are new people at the church who waited patiently and humbly for an opportunity.
I'm a firm believer of the "get in where you fit in" philosophy... You gotta know when/where you are needed, and humbly accept the position that you are in. Just because he was there at the beginning of the church didn't give him the right to resume his position after he left for so long.... He's not a "Musician Emeritus" who can return after so many years and take control again... Our church has evolved since then, and his services are no longer required.
I feel like just because you've been playing longer, that doesn't necessarily make you a better musician... I'm constantly increasing my skills, learning every day... But I know plenty of musicians who reach a certain level (a low level at that) and never grow anymore from there... Those are the ones who need to either BRING IT UP OR GIVE IT UP!!
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o yeah i remember this topic. hey young folks, u have seasoned nets all around us. Some of us have just been carryin on with our lives, services we play for, and some have been waiting on you to come to us for whatever u need in this field. generations are moving along with time, so you are next.
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I am coming in late
but I have seen this but I look at it another way
the language of music is just different it is changing very fast
and the things the younger cats are trying to reach for
is not what some of the older players are trying to serve up
case in point
I revere melvin crispell
and butch heyward
and charles minor the writer of hezekiahs I'll fly away
these guys are phenomenal musicians
but some of the younger upcoming musicians can still step with these guys
why
because the language of music is evolving
the younger cats are re writing theory as we live
so it is not always about disrespect
just looking to follow the path that they see for themselves
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Well hellur LGM, i used to be on this when it first started years ago, i believe. Jus rejoined a month ago. I see good comments on here regarding musicians, with the wrong spirits of musicianship. 1st of all if u feel if you have to show off or battle someone, you are selling your self short. I recently had someone tell me someone wanted to battle me. Wat reason and wat result do we as musicians get out of competetion and showing off. I believe if you try and show off in a service, number one, you have not prayed before you played. number 2, you are not willing to flow with the Spirit. Alot of young musicians are ruining themselves wit all this self-pride. Arrogance will get you nowhere in life. And that's all.