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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: davidenoch on March 12, 2008, 10:27:54 PM
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Ok here is my question....Is it wrong for me to study Stevie Wonder. The reason i ask is that his style is heard in a lot of gospel music today...e.g. Israel, Kirk franklin, Fred hammond, and maybe others, these are some of our heavy hitters just let me know what you all think....
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Thats a personal decision. If you feel guilty listening to secular music, then dont listen to it.
A lot of people will argue that there is nothing wong with reading love poems, so Why would it be wrong to listen to love songs.
Me, I listen to a lot of secular music, and it has helped me with my playing. Not all secular artist are vulgar and nasty. Stevie happens to be one of the clean ones, and If you study his music, it just might help you with your creativity. Face it, in order to play today's gospel musc, you have to know Jazz, Latin, R&B as well as other styles of music. If the words in stevie wonder's offend you then dont listen to him.
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Thats a personal decision. If you feel guilty listening to secular music, then dont listen to it.
I agree,
For me, there is enough gospel material out there to learn from. Most of the stuff I know and learned is from gospel records, LGM or other learning sites. However when I was playing Sax I listened to alot of Kenny G and it help me.
So theres a balance and your motive gotte be right. 8)
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theres no such thing as a secular note ;D i dont know one keyboardist who says they are not influence by Stevie. personally i listen to everything and draw as many influences as possible. But remember the atmosphere you permit determines the product you produce
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Ok here is my question....Is it wrong for me to study Stevie Wonder.
It's o.k. for you to study his music. You can study anyone's music you want because like it was said ealier, music itself can't be put into a specific genre. I listen to every type of music genre there is for ideas. The way you apply it is up to you.
Besides, if u think about it there are only 2 "real" genres of music: gospel & everything else, LOL. See how limited your music would be if u ONLY stuck to studying gospel music?
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It's o.k. for you to study his music. You can study anyone's music you want because like it was said ealier, music itself can't be put into a specific genre. I listen to every type of music genre there is for ideas. The way you apply it is up to you.
Besides, if u think about it there are only 2 "real" genres of music: gospel & everything else, LOL. See how limited your music would be if u ONLY stuck to studying gospel music?
Yup, the dudes who listen to only listen to gospel, usually sound pretty boring
theres no such thing as a secular note ;D i dont know one keyboardist who says they are not influence by Stevie. personally i listen to everything and draw as many influences as possible. But remember the atmosphere you permit determines the product you produce
I meant to say that. Stevie is probaly one the best musicians/arangers soul music has had. He can do classical, jazz, funk, pop, rnb etc. Not studying him, is like a classical musician not studying Bach.
I honestly cant think of one stevie song that is vulgar or raunchy.
If you decide to listen to stevie you gotta get Songs in the key of Life http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Key-Life-Stevie-Wonder/dp/B00004SZWD
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Yup, the dudes who listen to only listen to gospel, usually sound pretty boring
I wouldn't say all that, they just sound "gospel". There's nothing wrong with just listening to gospel, you just won't have the variety as a person who studied more genres of music.
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It's okay. Everybody has they own flava of music. Like me for instance, i love all types of music except for heavy metal,of course. I love different secular artists but i have my own flava. my favorite type of music is gospel.
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I wouldn't say all that, they just sound "gospel". There's nothing wrong with just listening to gospel, you just won't have the variety as a person who studied more genres of music.
And they will probaly stuggle when trying to play the contemporarry stuff, or something with a latin or jazzy flavor. There is a big difference when you can add classical touches to your piano playing. Imagine if Richard smalwood had only listend to gospel. Us Gospel musicians gotta keep up with the times.
It seems like todays gospel scene is "survival of the phattest" so nowadays, you gotta bring it, and give the people what they want.
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I think you're pretty safe with Stevie. I've got all his music from 1971-early 90's
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listen i personally feel its nothing wrong with listening to secular music first off god made music he created it right! second it depends on who u listen to its talking about sex and stuff then i dont think that you should be studying that cause it can lead to other things but if its a beautiful love song by beyonce wht the heck learn it play and put it with some of ur chords i do it. and last when ppl play shouting music they put secular music in there and ppl go crazy......... i feel if ur tyna bring ppl to the kingdom of god you gotta meet them where they at and if they listen to rap music you show them Da truth.... and kirk franklin and stuff. theres a new group called thee ensembles with jason clayborn he got mike jackson in there standford and son rug rats pink panther and his music is really good and poweful bro your good!!!!!!!!
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when ppl play shouting music they put secular music in there and ppl go crazy.........
That Jay-Z shout, stil has people goin crazy
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Simply, NO
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And they will probaly stuggle when trying to play the contemporarry stuff, or something with a latin or jazzy flavor. There is a big difference when you can add classical touches to your piano playing. Imagine if Richard smalwood had only listend to gospel. Us Gospel musicians gotta keep up with the times.
This is not true. Gospel can be old school or contemporary. It all depends on how u play the chords. I know what u trying to say man, but not all gospel music is boring w/out influences from other styles.
To be honest, I believe every genre of music is influenced by every other genre in some way or fashion. That's where that playing with classical feel or R&B feel comes into play. The lyrics to the song is what makes it gospel or what not, but the music is pretty much genre-less.
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This is not true. Gospel can be old school or contemporary. It all depends on how u play the chords. I know what u trying to say man, but not all gospel music is boring w/out influences from other styles.
To be honest, I believe every genre of music is influenced by every other genre in some way or fashion. That's where that playing with classical feel or R&B feel comes into play. The lyrics to the song is what makes it gospel or what not, but the music is pretty much genre-less.
I disagree.
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Simply, NO
Agreed.
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As my pastor once said, "There is no such thing as 'secular music'....only secular lyrics."
Our bodies are temples so we have to be mindful of what we store in them. I went to a youth conference a few years ago with our church kids and one of the speakers played a club song that was popular at the time. Everyone was literally dancing in the isles until he cut the music then put on some holy hip-hop with a very similiar beat. Some continued to dance, others just stood there dumbfounded lol. Without going too far off topic, his message was a great example of how lyrics can define a song.
God Bless,
J
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I disagree.
Care to explain? U don't have to, i'm just curious.
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The lyrics to the song is what makes it gospel or what not, but the music is pretty much genre-less.
I am inclined to agree with this. Over the years, we have come to indentify some well known styles of music as gospel but gospel music itself is not limited to that musicial style. What we call gospel has very heavy influences of blues and jazz. These genres were very popular and the musicians would play in the juke joints at night and play in church on Sunday.
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Care to explain? U don't have to, i'm just curious.
It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.
On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.
For example, when they tried to to 'gospelize' that Maxwell (I think it was Maxwell) song, "Love", I was like, are ya'll serious? ::)
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It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.
On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.
For example, when they tried to to 'gospelize' that Maxwell (I think it was Maxwell) song, "Love", I was like, are ya'll serious? ::)
Musiq Soulchild.
(not that I kno, uh....cuz yall kno i donts lissen to...uh.....someone tole me bout it......uh......I was watchin BET......uh....on Sunday, yeah.....uh....."
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It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.
On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.
For example, when they tried to to 'gospelize' that Maxwell (I think it was Maxwell) song, "Love", I was like, are ya'll serious? ::)
That was Musiq. I thought you were up on your neo soul.
But the song did make more sense with the word 'Lord'
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It was Musiq Soulchild's "Love" and yes that was corny :D i dont understand what you mean by secular progression? Isn't a progression a progression? Please ellaborate more
It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.
On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.
For example, when they tried to to 'gospelize' that Maxwell (I think it was Maxwell) song, "Love", I was like, are ya'll serious? ::)
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Simply, NO
Not that simple. Please ellaborate ;D LOL
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the same song and dance, I use some chords for a song from the The Best Man sound track and it was nice but when i played Can You Feel It by The Jackson 5. I was sitting in my pastor office, and this is sad on youth sunday some of the older saint stay home because they don't what to hear gospel hip-hop.
I hear a pastor a the devil is in the church ?/? ?/? ?/?
because when God created Satan made him the headmusician. Now gospel artist are using secular music the world created to so call reach the youth. ?/? ?/?
he said the beat and music of the songs always put you in not the lyrics. ?/? ?/?
because if it was all about the lyrics, what the first thing musician work so hard on when creating new song. it the beats and music, the lyrics are last.
but he said this that puzzle me ?/? ?/? ?/?
can you mix water with oil, NO
well that what some musicians and artist try to do. :-[ :-[ :-[
Now here the Catch he's a pro-level musicain that anything and everything he can play the hip-hop, old skool, R&B, jazz, classic and yes gospel, he be playing 40++++.
:-[ :-[ :-[
but the funny thing is the he call Kirk franklin the P.daddy of gospel 8) 8) 8)
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the same song and dance, I use some chords for a song from the The Best Man sound track and it was nice but when i played Can You Feel It by The Jackson 5. I was sitting in my pastor office, and this is sad on youth sunday some of the older saint stay home because they don't what to hear gospel hip-hop.
I hear a pastor a the devil is in the church ?/? ?/? ?/?
because when God created Satan made him the headmusician. Now gospel artist are using secular music the world created to so call reach the youth. ?/? ?/?
he said the beat and music of the songs always put you in not the lyrics. ?/? ?/?
because if it was all about the lyrics, what the first thing musician work so hard on when creating new song. it the beats and music, the lyrics are last.
but he said this that puzzle me ?/? ?/? ?/?
can you mix water with oil, NO
well that what some musicians and artist try to do. :-[ :-[ :-[
Now here the Catch he's a pro-level musicain that anything and everything he can play the hip-hop, old skool, R&B, jazz, classic and yes gospel, he be playing 40++++.
:-[ :-[ :-[
but the funny thing is the he call Kirk franklin the P.daddy of gospel 8) 8) 8)
~~~~BAMF~~~~~~
*peeks head in*
God didnt create Satan. He Created Lucifer.
Lucifer chose to become Satan.
~~~~~BAMF~~~~~
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Interesting subject, yet a bit touchy for me! Has anyone ever heard of G. Craig Lewis?
http://exministries.com/
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~~~~BAMF~~~~~~
*peeks head in*
God didnt create Satan. He Created Lucifer.
Lucifer chose to become Satan.
~~~~~BAMF~~~~~
he has alot of names in the bible but i can go thought all of them if you like ;D ;D
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That was Musiq. I thought you were up on your neo soul.
But the song did make more sense with the word 'Lord'
a. You thought? A novel idea.
b. You "thought" wrong.
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It's like saying there's no difference between playing instrumental Rock music and instrumental Gospel music.
On top of that, depending on how the 'secular' progression is played will determine how I internalize a song.
Honestly, I still see no difference. I mean how would u know it's a rock instrumental? Because it says so. If there was no sign that said instrumental for such & such song, u could speculate, but u wouldn't really know unless u talked to the composer.
I'm glad u brought up the point about interpretation, people interpret things differently. So, while the original composer may say "this is gospel", when u hear it u may think "R&B" or "Rock" or whatever.
I see what u saying though, we can agree to disagree. It's cool boss, LOL.
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he has alot of names in the bible but i can go thought all of them if you like ;D ;D
~~~LGM DISCLAIMER~~~~ dese thoughtses are my ownses......
I'm hip ta dem names too, my point being, he didnt "create", "Beelzebub, Lord of the flies", :The Accuser", "that old serpent" "The Devil", etc.
He "created" Lucifer. Once Lucifer got the big head and rebelled, then he became all dem other things.
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This is not true. Gospel can be old school or contemporary. It all depends on how u play the chords. I know what u trying to say man, but not all gospel music is boring w/out influences from other styles.
To be honest, I believe every genre of music is influenced by every other genre in some way or fashion. That's where that playing with classical feel or R&B feel comes into play. The lyrics to the song is what makes it gospel or what not, but the music is pretty much genre-less.
I AGREE
I've been listening to various types of music genres (besides gospel) with the aim of creating gospel music using those sounds..
I must say that I'm still very amazed at the power of the voice tone & lyrics... :o
I was listen to a latino inspirational song& just using the sounds there, I sang in a Pavarotti tenor, adding gospel lyrics & everything merged in perfectly together...So my dream so far, is to gather so,e people & instead of playing the songs we always hear, come up with something of our own, just like how 1 can immediately tell that this is a Richard Smallwood piece...
Look at R Kelly as well, how he just uses gospel lyrics in music we assciate with R&B & all of a sudden it's classified & sounds gospel 8)
Most hyms are classical in nature.. ?/?
How can you tell neosoul music is gospel?? --by the lyrics ;D
My point:
for most genres of music, I think musicians have learnt that it's really is the voice & lyrics (most often than not), that will determine the classification of a song.
Chord progressions alone are open to vast interpretations.
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we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.
(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.) :D :D :D
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we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.
(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.) :D :D :D
:D :D ;D :D ;)
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because when God created Satan made him the headmusician.
That's one of the biggest biblical misnomers out there.
There's only ONE scripture and ONLY translation that after some stretching you could MAYBE imply that.
Ezekiel 28:13:
13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."
No other translations mentions "pipes" and "tabrets" (tambourine). And anyone has who's done some studying on the bible from a critical stand point knows the KJV takes some liberties and adds sometimes where it shouldn't.
And even if Satin had anything to do with music...so what? You think they've stopped praising God in heaven because Satin was kicked out.
Here's what gets me about this subject. I can play Fur Elise and nobody would be offended...even though AT BEST Beethoven was a pantheist and womanizer.
I don't understand how that's different than playing Stevie Wonder.
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just to let yall kno about musiq soulchild the song was suppose to be lord he wrote as lord but he changed it when he gotta deal they didnt want they song to be called lord listen to the words of the song its suppose to be lord. i think as a musician u gotta listen to all types of music not the lyrics but the music to become better and have new ideas and stuff
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Here's what gets me about this subject. I can play Fur Elise and nobody would be offended...even though AT BEST Beethoven was a pantheist and womanizer.
I don't understand how that's different than playing Stevie Wonder.
mhhhh ::)...interesting observation there >:(
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:D :D ;D :D ;)
(http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/2001c.JPG)
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we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.
(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.) :D :D :D
I guess one would have to have actually seen the movie, right? ::)
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Here's what gets me about this subject. I can play Fur Elise and nobody would be offended...even though AT BEST Beethoven was a pantheist and womanizer.
I don't understand how that's different than playing Stevie Wonder.
We are not even discussing the character of the composer of these types of songs. That's not the issue, at least, not to me.
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Thats a personal decision. If you feel guilty listening to secular music, then dont listen to it.
I will Love My Gospel music!!! (That' enough for Me)
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we have a better chance of understanding the end of "2001: A Space Oddessey" than reaching a consensus on this topic.
(hopefully someone else BESIDES B3WannaBe will get that.) :D :D :D
So then, why are u still participating? If it's a dead end topic to u, just stop commenting. There are a lot of topics that a concensus will never be reached, does that stop people from bringing it up every now and then? NO!!! ;)
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So then, why are u still participating? If it's a dead end topic to u, just stop commenting. There are a lot of topics that a concensus will never be reached, does that stop people from bringing it up every now and then? NO!!! ;)
A bit harsh, no? And, he has a valid point.
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A bit harsh, no? And, he has a valid point.
Maybe, but it just irks me when people do that. If u don't wanna participate, then don't. The people here wanna talk about it, so let us talk in peace.
Maybe i'm just having a bad day today. Pray for me.
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Maybe, but it just irks me when people do that. If u don't wanna participate, then don't. The people here wanna talk about it, so let us talk in peace.
Maybe i'm just having a bad day today. Pray for me.
Lord, move on behalf of your son, T-Block. Remove any cloud of negativity that may be above or around him. Grant him peace this, and every, day. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.
Feel better, dude; it IS Friday. ;D
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Yup, the dudes who listen to only listen to gospel, usually sound pretty boring
Then I guess I must sound pretty boring...LOL
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So then, why are u still participating? If it's a dead end topic to u, just stop commenting. There are a lot of topics that a concensus will never be reached, does that stop people from bringing it up every now and then? NO!!! ;)
Hey i just saw another opportunity to post a pic. that's what i do.
:P
p.s.:
yo momma.
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Then I guess I must sound pretty boring...LOL
Dont you listen to classical?
Maybe I shouldnt have put it like that, But gospel music is so diverse now, that you might not have to listen to secular music, to play with an RnB or other secular style.
One of the things I like About your style is the classical influences, So you are not what I meant when I mentioned people who only listen to gospel.
btw your classical organ clips on youtube were pretty good. I got some kinda classical stuff up, so check em out http://www.youtube.com/user/beamn318
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Lord, move on behalf of your son, T-Block. Remove any cloud of negativity that may be above or around him. Grant him peace this, and every, day. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.
Feel better, dude; it IS Friday. ;D
Nice prayer Sjon. T-Block, it's going to be alright. Sometimes you have to cut your loses and not debate with folks. It is what it is.
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Nice prayer Sjon. T-Block, it's going to be alright. Sometimes you have to cut your loses and not debate with folks. It is what it is.
Thanks; and agreed, but with a caveat. Wolfie wasn't saying that this shouldn't be discussed, per se, but rather that this type of discussion, at the end of the day, proves fruitless because folks are going to do what they want, regardless. That includes listening to, as well as, playing Gospel music in it's many and varied styles.
Wolfie was just doin' like I do most times, tryin' to cut up in a thread. That's it. ;)
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Totally 100% don't see anything wrong with studying secular music if it's clean and if there's no words then you be the judge.
I think we got it all backwards. There was a time when 99.9% of black people went to church on the regular or at least had been to church. Then they left the church to play secular music and took the style with them. So I think there's a crossover when gospel musicians leave church to go play secular music. Stevie Wonder probably grew up in church. So secular musicians jacked their style from church. We act like stuff isn't cool unless we go get it from the world and then bring it back to church. We are the salt of the earth and we need to stop acting like we depend on the world for innovation. We should be 10 times as creative and innovative as secular musicians. Really, they took the music out of the church and WE WANT IT BACK!!!
I don't think there's such a thing as a worldly progression. That's like saying money is evil. Money can't be evil because it's an inanimate object. Something that is inanimate is only evil in the hands of the user. So, when it comes to playing music I think it's the vessel who is playing that matters. You can't tell me that some of those great composers like Beethoven, Stravinsky, Mahler, Rachmaninoff ... weren't inspired by God. They may not have acknowledged it but some of that stuff is heavenly. BTW listen to The Rite of Spring by Stravinsky. TIGHT!!!
I also think that it's questionable if you should be using certain riffs at church. If something is so obvious that people get out of the spirit and start walking it out then maybe you shouldn't use it. And what's your motive? as some said before.
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Totally 100% don't see anything wrong with studying secular music if it's clean and if there's no words then you be the judge.
I think we got it all backwards. There was a time when 99.9% of black people went to church on the regular or at least had been to church. Then they left the church to play secular music and took the style with them. So I think there's a crossover when gospel musicians leave church to go play secular music. Stevie Wonder probably grew up in church. So secular musicians jacked their style from church. We act like stuff isn't cool unless we go get it from the world and then bring it back to church. We are the salt of the earth and we need to stop acting like we depend on the world for innovation. We should be 10 times as creative and innovative as secular musicians. Really, they took the music out of the church and WE WANT IT BACK!!!
If the churches paid well enough, then many secular artist would not have even started playing in clubs or in the "world".
You are right, many of the greatest RnB/Jazz artist come from church. The Isley Brothers, BB King, Chreisette Michelle, Jimmy Smith and the list goes on.
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If the churches paid well enough, then many secular artist would not have even started playing in clubs or in the "world".
You are right, many of the greatest RnB/Jazz artist come from church. The Isley Brothers, BB King, Chreisette Michelle, Jimmy Smith and the list goes on.
I think that's a cop out. I don't think musicians leave church to go play in the world because it pays more. I think they leave because that lifestyle entices them. They like smokin weed, groupies, staying out all night, being on the road cheatin on their ol lady, they like that praise they get from the fans, etc. I work with jazz musicians, that's my job. They don't make that much. Half the time they're broke. They do it for the love of the music. If they do it for the love of the music then church musicians can too. There are Christian "rock stars" in a sense but really if you're a star in the eyes of the church you have to be really careful to keep pointing people back to God.
That said, I do think most churches are cheap. If they pay it isn't much. My Dad was a music minister and he had to get a 2nd job so we could eat. I don't think the church values musical gifts enough to compensate accordingly.
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If the churches paid well enough, then many secular artist would not have even started playing in clubs or in the "world".
You are right, many of the greatest RnB/Jazz artist come from church. The Isley Brothers, BB King, Chreisette Michelle, Jimmy Smith and the list goes on.
I play in places outside of church because I love to play and I also like to be musically well rounded. I don't really care for night clubs but that's where people who want to hear live music are. When the gig is over, I go home.
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I play in places outside of church because I love to play and I also like to be musically well rounded. I don't really care for night clubs but that's where people who want to hear live music are. When the gig is over, I go home.
What and where do you play (if you dont mind me asking). I would consider doing secular gigs, when I'm good enough, as I love RnB. But just because, we do the gigs, doesnt mean we have to drink, smoke and make whoopie with the groupies. When you are done with your set, you can pack up and leave.
And I'm not in this for the money. Cuz its not that great (yet). You really gotta hustle to make money as a musician.
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Dont you listen to classical?
Maybe I shouldnt have put it like that, But gospel music is so diverse now, that you might not have to listen to secular music, to play with an RnB or other secular style.
One of the things I like About your style is the classical influences, So you are not what I meant when I mentioned people who only listen to gospel.
btw your classical organ clips on youtube were pretty good. I got some kinda classical stuff up, so check em out [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/beamn318[/url]
Hey I was just messin with you...lol...but thanks for the compliments. I don't do too much actual listening to classical music these days. But my father is a classical organist (he would EAT that organ in your profile picture...I'm talking serious monsterage) and he always directed/accompanied an anthem choir and I was into classical piano from ages 10-17 (I'm 24 now). So the classical influence is there...I guess...not as much as I'd like it to be but I need to practice. I'll check out your organ clips when I get home. I can't get on youtube at work anymore...HATERS
Gospel music is very diverse now. I don't feel like I need to travel outside of gospel music to be well-rounded. My father always tells people I am one of the most well-rounded musicians he knows (and that negro is a beast).
You have traditional gospel. I used to love "whoever" was playing the keys on Carlton Pearson's Azusa 3 and a lot of Norman Hutchins' stuff...and I say "whoever" because I didn't know it was Jason White at the time...but it's very churchy.
Then you have contemporary...and you can listen to people like Tye, etc...
I like Kevin Bond, Jason White, and Michael Bereal because they're great at the traditional and contemporary sounds.
Then you have the contemporary/CCM sound ie: the Israel Houghton/Aaron Lindsey sound
Then you have the total CCM side of it. Don Moen and Twila Paris and the list goes on...and I LOVE their style as well. I'm working on my CCM feel so that it sounds like real CCM...not negro-ized CCM...
Then you have white country gospel and all that other stuff...
Then there are anthems, spirituals, and choral music....which goes along the classical lines
...and you have the Richard Smallwood/Darin Atwater/Tony Walker/Steven Ford camp that produces some of the best classical-gospel if you will....and don't forget about Dr. Henry Panion that did "Gospel Goes Classical"
It's my PERSONAL OPINION that I can be a well-rounded music by only studying music from/by artist who have exercised their gifts and written their music to the glory and honor of God.
I don't have to go to Damascus and copy something worldly (2 Kings 16:1-11)
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Hey I was just messin with you...lol...but thanks for the compliments. I don't do too much actual listening to classical music these days. But my father is a classical organist (he would EAT that organ in your profile picture...I'm talking serious monsterage) and he always directed/accompanied an anthem choir and I was into classical piano from ages 10-17 (I'm 24 now). So the classical influence is there...I guess...not as much as I'd like it to be but I need to practice. I'll check out your organ clips when I get home. I can't get on youtube at work anymore...HATERS
I used to be kinda into classical organ. But I put it on the back burner when I discovered the Hammond B3.
But now I'm Gonna make an effort to start reading music again and I'll Probaly do a whole bunch of Classical Style hymn clips. I'm just trying to be as diverse as possible.
Sorry you cant watch youtube at work, the people on my job were pissed when we started blocking youtube and all other streaming sites (but I still get them)
All my clips are from 'memory' so hen I learn them corectly I will re-record them. You gotta get some clips of your Pops
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I used to be kinda into classical organ. But I put it on the back burner when I discovered the Hammond B3.
But now I'm Gonna make an effort to start reading music again and I'll Probaly do a whole bunch of Classical Style hymn clips. I'm just trying to be as diverse as possible.
Sorry you cant watch youtube at work, the people on my job were pissed when we started blocking youtube and all other streaming sites (but I still get them)
All my clips are from 'memory' so hen I learn them corectly I will re-record them. You gotta get some clips of your Pops
I have some of him but it was when he was messing around and of course the professional/perfectionist that he is, he doesn't any clips going up if they aren't flawless. I'll have some up soon though.
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What and where do you play (if you dont mind me asking). I would consider doing secular gigs, when I'm good enough, as I love RnB. But just because, we do the gigs, doesnt mean we have to drink, smoke and make whoopie with the groupies. When you are done with your set, you can pack up and leave.
I've played a little bit of everywhere. Hotel gigs, did the casino once, private parties, bars, pubs, college student functions, banquets, etc. I will attempt to play anything. R&B, jazz, smooth jazz, pop, blues, reggae, rock, soul. I do it mostly to keep my chops together and it's good side money and an opportunity for me to promote my studio.
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You can't tell me that some of those great composers like Beethoven, Stravinsky, Mahler, Rachmaninoff ... weren't inspired by God. They may not have acknowledged it but some of that stuff is heavenly. BTW listen to The Rite of Spring by Stravinsky. TIGHT!!!
AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN. We heard a little of "Rite Of Spring" in class today.
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I've played a little bit of everywhere. Hotel gigs, did the casino once, private parties, bars, pubs, college student functions, banquets, etc. I will attempt to play anything. R&B, jazz, smooth jazz, pop, blues, reggae, rock, soul. I do it mostly to keep my chops together and it's good side money and an opportunity for me to promote my studio.
Thats kinda what I wanna do, hopefully soon.
You gotta give us some Clips!!
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AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN. We heard a little of "Rite Of Spring" in class today.
HALLE-LUJAH! Go head T-Block. You vibin' with me. I'm feeling energized right now. What class did you listen to it in? What else are y'all listening to in that class?
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Thats kinda what I wanna do, hopefully soon.
You gotta give us some Clips!!
I'll have to work on that. I've had my eye on a video camera for a while.
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HALLE-LUJAH! Go head T-Block. You vibin' with me. I'm feeling energized right now. What class did you listen to it in? What else are y'all listening to in that class?
The class is Music History III. We studying all the composers of the 20 century, starting with Mahler. We been through Mahler, Strauss, Puccini, Debussy, Ravel, Ives, Bartok, Schoenberg, Webern, and Stravinsky. I'm really loving this class cuz the other 2 music history classes were BORING!!!
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Until they get to the 20th century it's often boring. Bach, Beethoven, Mozart aren't boring they're just really tonal because it's the classical period but teachers don't know how to relay it so that it's interesting to our 21st century ears. Late Beethoven starts to get interesting and more harmonically complex.
What do you think of Schoenberg? Mahler is another favorite of mine.
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Until they get to the 20th century it's often boring. Bach, Beethoven, Mozart aren't boring they're just really tonal because it's the classical period but teachers don't know how to relay it so that it's interesting to our 21st century ears. Late Beethoven starts to get interesting and more harmonically complex.
What do you think of Schoenberg? Mahler is another favorite of mine.
You're right, learning about music before the 20th century was kinda boring. But, it wasn't really the music, for me it was my teacher. He spoke in almost monotone voice for every lecture (think Ben Stein w/slight voice fluctuations, lol). If he had made his lectures more lively, I would have gotten into it more.
Now Schoenberg is da man. His way of making a formal structure for atonality was simply genius. Everybody after him owes him a great deal of gratitude.
My favorites right now are Chopin, Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, and Scott Joplin. I got a few Chopin pieces, Beethoven's entire Moonlight Sonanta, and a couple Scott Joplin pieces in the works for my senior recital in about a year. It's some hard stuff, but it's fun.
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You're right, learning about music before the 20th century was kinda boring. But, it wasn't really the music, for me it was my teacher. He spoke in almost monotone voice for every lecture (think Ben Stein w/slight voice fluctuations, lol). If he had made his lectures more lively, I would have gotten into it more.
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Man, don't make me choke on my food, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The sad part is, u closer to the truth than you realize.
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I'm 31, and I've been playing the keyboard for only about a year now. You have to really guard your temple. Don't over
estimate the power of music. Music definitely can set the atmosphere.
Lucifer was in charge of music in heaven. And with that he was able to win 1/3 of the angels.
He is still using music to win souls for his kingdom today. We can obviously see that in current times.
I think many christian musicians listen/use secular music as an excuse to "stay in touch" with what the world is doing.
But God blessed us with gifts and talents for his glory. And we don't need to use a Beyonce beat, or a Michael Jackson riff
to spread the good news. Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world. Think about it? If you play a Beyonce
beat, and a worldly person hears it and recognizes it, what do you think they are going to think? Is this musician a
christian? Beyonce music must please God if the christian musicians are playing her music? Everything goes?????
Musicans should be very careful what they are playing. Do not become an enabler for a worldy person.
Remember, the #1 goal is to win souls. Don't ever forget it.
God bless.
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i guess what he meant by secular music is the nasty and dirty lyrics that is heard in most musics such as hip-hop and R&B. to be honest, i stop listening to those types of music, however i listen to music that aren't that dirty. I listen to smooth jazz and sometimes techno.
i understand your viewpoint-- many gospel music are influenced by hip-hop beats, etc. You see many gospel artists recording with secular artists. In my viewpoint, if you really want to record with a secular artist, you have to check their background first. Most secular artists have bad background and bad mentality, always into drugs and guns for murder. And to record a gospel music with them would just make the gospel music not what it should be.
Gospel music is suppose to spread the gospel of Christ and as long as people get the message rather than dancing and enjoying the beat, then that is good.
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hey people i apologize for initiating this subject and not responding.. I really appreciate all you comments....Ok the truth is.......ok ok. Man i brought The Stevie Wonder Anthology album and the relavent song book and almost lost my mind man........lol...this dude chord arrangment and progression are just.... are just.......i dont know....but im finished.....oh and if any beginner/intermidiate or even advance learner is looking for a challenging song with chords and pregressions youre not use to, one song comes to mind...'Send one your love" Im a intermidiate player i think and if anyone heard or attempted this song holla back.......Well since this is a gospel site ill but my gospel peice in..ummmmm ..Israel and new breed are a great group....lol lol...hope you all find the humor in this.....Be Blessed
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..Well since this is a gospel site ill but my gospel peice in..ummmmm ..
::) Does the part of scripture that says be ready in & out of season apply here?? ::) :-\
Israel and new breed are a great group....lol lol...hope you all find the humor in this.....Be Blessed
:D :D :D :DIt's written all over the statement man :D :D :D
Why did ya hv2 put on your gospel piece together!! ;)