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Offline music-samurai

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Tired of not getting Paid?
« on: March 28, 2006, 11:57:29 PM »
I've had it with these community choirs recording cd's and not paying the musicians afterwards.  I mean there is always some excuse why the money isnt there.  I think every city should have some kind of musician union where the choirs have to pay up front.  If anyone is experiencing this, please comment and share your ideas on how to stop this ungodly behavior!
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2006, 12:05:32 AM »
the way to solve this is to have the agreement up front and have a contract drawn. otherwise you will always get the shaft but all you can do is continue to walk in the love of GOD because they will have to deal with what they did come judgement.
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2006, 04:10:35 AM »
Man there is a musicians union!!! You ****** need to learn how to run music (drumming for most) like a business! Learn how to do a legal and binding contract, Get paid before the show, Have a rider, keep all receipts from equipment, sticks, food, hotels!!!
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2006, 04:17:14 AM »
Quote from: bigblackdrummer on March 29, 2006, 04:10:35 AM
Man there is a musicians union!!! You *****z need to learn how to run music (drumming for most) like a business! Learn how to do a legal and binding contract, Get paid before the show, Have a rider, keep all receipts from equipment, sticks, food, hotels!!!

The problem with getting paid before the show is that no one gets paid before they do a job.  Not even on a 9 to 5.  And those contracts get broken all the time.  You cant take them to court because the amount usually isnt worth it.  So what comes first, ministry or gettin paid?  Help me out man cause I dont know what to do.
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2006, 04:31:10 AM »
Quote from: music-samurai on March 29, 2006, 04:17:14 AM
The problem with getting paid before the show is that no one gets paid before they do a job.  Not even on a 9 to 5.  And those contracts get broken all the time.  You cant take them to court because the amount usually isnt worth it.  So what comes first, ministry or gettin paid?  Help me out man cause I dont know what to do.

Most big artist are paid half or in full before a show! I know of artist John P Kee, Clark Sisters and so on who showed up and didnt go on because the promoter had not paid them!
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2006, 09:10:45 AM »
Im Not Gettin Paid Playin For my Community Choir But We Finna Do It Big!!!  We Flying Up To Germany so we can share the stage with Kurt Carr and the Kurt Carr Singers!
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2006, 09:28:31 AM »
Quote from: GDrummaFan on March 29, 2006, 09:10:45 AM
Im Not Gettin Paid Playin For my Community Choir But We Finna Do It Big!!! We Flying Up To Germany so we can share the stage with Kurt Carr and the Kurt Carr Singers!

Congrats man.
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2006, 09:42:37 AM »
Thank You Too Much Man...Im Just a normal 16 yr old tryna do wat i do best and come up to with professionals
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2006, 01:41:10 PM »
Quote from: music-samurai on March 29, 2006, 04:17:14 AM
The problem with getting paid before the show is that no one gets paid before they do a job.  Not even on a 9 to 5.  And those contracts get broken all the time.  You cant take them to court because the amount usually isnt worth it.  So what comes first, ministry or gettin paid?  Help me out man cause I dont know what to do.

As a graphic/web designer I get at least 50% up front.... and the client doesn't get the product until I am paid in full. 

In music real working national folk get paid in full before they touch the stage. 50% comes within a couple weeks of the booking if not before the booking locked in.

Modern_Drummer and Cajonezzz spoke about getting your own contracts done in another thread.

Respect comes first. If you have made a committment to do work it should be honored for he agreed upon amount. The Lord honors a man that honors his word... Lying, cheating, stealing and pimping in the name of the Lord or the ministry is wrong. It is up to you to investigate and handle your business as such. You are/should be a skilled craftsment not an apprentice. So you need to be clear on whether it's a hobby or a profession.   
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2006, 02:30:45 PM »
Quote from: SabianKnight on March 29, 2006, 01:41:10 PM
As a graphic/web designer I get at least 50% up front.... and the client doesn't get the product until I am paid in full. 

In music real working national folk get paid in full before they touch the stage. 50% comes within a couple weeks of the booking if not before the booking locked in.

Modern_Drummer and Cajonezzz spoke about getting your own contracts done in another thread.

Respect comes first. If you have made a committment to do work it should be honored for he agreed upon amount. The Lord honors a man that honors his word... Lying, cheating, stealing and pimping in the name of the Lord or the ministry is wrong. It is up to you to investigate and handle your business as such. You are/should be a skilled craftsment not an apprentice. So you need to be clear on whether it's a hobby or a profession.   

Gotcha!  Thanx for the reply
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2006, 05:10:52 PM »
Pimping? Who been pimpin in the name of the Lord?  :o :-*
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2006, 06:46:34 PM »
THIS IS A SAD TOPIC, I GUESS GOD IS JUST TESTING YOUR FAITHFULNESS TO STAY WITH YOUR GIFT, BUT MAN, I'VE SEEN PREACHERS GIVE MUSICIANS BAD CHECKS & I MEAN MORE THAN JUST ONE!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2006, 09:25:32 AM »
This is indeed a sad topic. MUSCICIANS SHOULD NEVER DEMAND TO GET PAID. IT"S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY!!!! >:(

IT"S ABOUT THE GLORY OF GOD. IF YOU NEVER GET PAID A DIME YOU SHOULD STILL BE HAPPY THAT GOD GAVE YOU THIS ANOINTING AND TALENT.

I am a skilled organist/pianist. Been playing for 10 dedicated years. Never BEEN PAID A DIME. GOD WILL BLESS YOU FOR IT MAN. ;D

JUST PLAY TO THE GLORY OF GOD. :)
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2006, 09:47:28 AM »
Some of u guys said it best. God gave u a talent. It's us who have 2 remember not 2 get greedy with that talent. What Gos gives he can easily take away. God will make a way even for those who will and do it for a livin. Trust in God.
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2006, 10:08:06 AM »
Quote from: hendoo on March 29, 2006, 06:46:34 PM
THIS IS A SAD TOPIC, I GUESS GOD IS JUST TESTING YOUR FAITHFULNESS TO STAY WITH YOUR GIFT, BUT MAN, I'VE SEEN PREACHERS GIVE MUSICIANS BAD CHECKS & I MEAN MORE THAN JUST ONE!!!!!!!!!

Yo man I dont have a problem not gettin money...All I wish for is one song on the set...Me playin on the drums is enough pay 4 me
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2006, 10:10:04 AM »
I am glad this is being brought up! This morning a friend/associate called me because he is in a bind. His drummer has left town and he wants me to fill in for 2 nights for him at a revival for his church. Now i have dealt with him before and the way he does business ain't right, but i haven't been doing anything just practing so i want ot do it but i am leary of him. Now he didn't metion any thing about being paid, but i am how much should i charge him  for the 2 nights.
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2006, 10:18:25 AM »
Quote from: Joshorgan on March 30, 2006, 09:25:32 AM
This is indeed a sad topic. MUSCICIANS SHOULD NEVER DEMAND TO GET PAID. IT"S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY!!!! >:(

IT"S ABOUT THE GLORY OF GOD. IF YOU NEVER GET PAID A DIME YOU SHOULD STILL BE HAPPY THAT GOD GAVE YOU THIS ANOINTING AND TALENT.

I am a skilled organist/pianist. Been playing for 10 dedicated years. Never BEEN PAID A DIME. GOD WILL BLESS YOU FOR IT MAN. ;D

JUST PLAY TO THE GLORY OF GOD. :)

Give me a break slice! Ok you give me your pay check and Ill live off that! What you cant! Why? Oh you need to feed your kids and pay your bills!
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2006, 10:20:05 AM »
Quote from: bigblackdrummer on March 30, 2006, 10:18:25 AM
Give me a break slice! Ok you give me your pay check and Ill live off that! What you cant! Why? Oh you need to feed your kids and pay your bills!

I hate to say it, but the church got some of these dudes brainwashed. They convinced you to not ask for money, while they're riding around in expensive Euro cars!

Man, whatever.
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2006, 10:23:26 AM »
Quote from: smarkland38 on March 30, 2006, 10:10:04 AM
I am glad this is being brought up! This morning a friend/associate called me because he is in a bind. His drummer has left town and he wants me to fill in for 2 nights for him at a revival for his church. Now i have dealt with him before and the way he does business ain't right, but i haven't been doing anything just practing so i want ot do it but i am leary of him. Now he didn't metion any thing about being paid, but i am how much should i charge him  for the 2 nights.

Do it just to keep up! If you aint playing use it as practice. Ask him am I being paid, if no then atleast get gas.
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Re: Tired of not getting Paid?
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2006, 10:27:24 AM »
Quote from: bigblackdrummer on March 30, 2006, 10:23:26 AM
Do it just to keep up! If you aint playing use it as practice. Ask him am I being paid, if no then atleast get gas.

Get Gas...That was good...i'd never think about gas.....Gas in my town did go up a nickel..
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