Why won't Organists show tight Chords?

[rjthakid]

"What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..."

Their is much you can share with a young musician, that will be very beneficial to him, that has nothing to do with teaching progressions that you use. Me teaching you a progression is only giving you fish ... I want to teach you to fish for yourself. I'm thoroughly convinced that the extra effort it takes to develop a solid musical foundation is more beneficial to a musician that just showing him a bunch of chord progressions and runs. My chords and runs are how I express myself. I rather give a young musician the foundation that will allow him to express himself...

Once again - it may take more time, but it's more beneficial, in my opinion. I just think many gospel musicians have just become accustomed to this way of learning for so long, that they're not open to learning a more beneficial way to learning to play. In my opinion, because more effort is involved.

I agree with you....in part.

But this applies only to those musicians who I mentioned who don't understand the basic concepts of music.

For too long there have been Organists & Keyboardists who have failed to instruct and enlighten younger musicians.  What happens is, they spend hours upon hours learning and honing and perfecting, and when someone else asks for a specific movement or chord, they get greedy.

They think to themselves: "Why should I show him MY chord movements?  After I spent all these hours, days, weeks & years learning them?"

....And the younger musicians must fend for themselves.  You could say that that's how it's supposed to be, but I disagree.  If we all show each other chords and movements, we can ALL sound better.  Gospel music will surpass any and everything the secular world has to offer, because there's strength in unity.  If 10 organists each come up with their own stuff, and share with each other, they'll ALL be better.  And you better believe they'll play those 10 changes 10 different ways, and in 10 different applications.  Besides, they'll have to master those chords in all 12 keys before they can truly say they know it.  The person who practices the most will still be better in the end anyway.

Fact of the matter is, when you play for God, you should be more interested in the Kingdom than hoarding chords and progressions.

If I've only been playing the Organ for about 9 months.  I can play in every major key (and 2 minors.  Working on that.)

I can play any 7, 9, 11, or 13th chord on demand.  BUT there are particular VOICINGS that sound better than others.

So if I approach an accomplished Organist and ask about a specific movement I heard him do, I don't want to hear how "What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..." lol.  JUST SHOW ME THE CHORD MAN!  lmbo.      

I've developed a small aresenal of changes and chords, and if you show me something, I may be able to show you something that you might not know. 

Gospel Musicians are too reluctant to share what they know.  If we all share, we'll all be better.  It's about the Kingdom! 

[MaestroDivine]

I agree with you....in part.

But this applies only to those musicians who I mentioned who don't understand the basic concepts of music.

For too long there have been Organists & Keyboardists who have failed to instruct and enlighten younger musicians.  What happens is, they spend hours upon hours learning and honing and perfecting, and when someone else asks for a specific movement or chord, they get greedy.

They think to themselves: "Why should I show him MY chord movements?  After I spent all these hours, days, weeks & years learning them?"

....And the younger musicians must fend for themselves.  You could say that that's how it's supposed to be, but I disagree.  If we all show each other chords and movements, we can ALL sound better.  Gospel music will surpass any and everything the secular world has to offer, because there's strength in unity.  If 10 organists each come up with their own stuff, and share with each other, they'll ALL be better.  And you better believe they'll play those 10 changes 10 different ways, and in 10 different applications.  Besides, they'll have to master those chords in all 12 keys before they can truly say they know it.  The person who practices the most will still be better in the end anyway.

Fact of the matter is, when you play for God, you should be more interested in the Kingdom than hoarding chords and progressions.

If I've only been playing the Organ for about 9 months.  I can play in every major key (and 2 minors.  Working on that.)

I can play any 7, 9, 11, or 13th chord on demand.  BUT there are particular VOICINGS that sound better than others.

So if I approach an accomplished Organist and ask about a specific movement I heard him do, I don't want to hear how "What we gain too easily, we esteem too lightly..." lol.  JUST SHOW ME THE CHORD MAN!  lmbo.      

I've developed a small aresenal of changes and chords, and if you show me something, I may be able to show you something that you might not know. 

Gospel Musicians are too reluctant to share what they know.  If we all share, we'll all be better.  It's about the Kingdom! 

I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.

[MaestroDivine]

I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.

I don't agree**

[rjthakid]

I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.

LMBO.  You got me cracking up over here Div.  So you're saying if I hear you do a progression, and say, "what did you play there?"

You'd basically be like     

   

And that's to HELP the person who's asking?  If the person can only play in 3 keys, that's understandable.

But once I know theory, can play in every key, and I ask you something and you refuse, that makes you selfish.

[MaestroDivine]

But once I know theory, can play in every key, and I ask you something and you refuse, that makes you selfish.

That's not the person I'm talking about, and you know it.

If someone shows the willingness to put forth the effort it takes to become a knowledgeable and skilled musician ... those are the people I share ideas with. Why? 'Cause I know they aren't leeches. I don't deal with leeches. I can spot 'em a mile away.

[rjthakid]

That's not the person I'm talking about, and you know it.

If someone shows the willingness to put forth the effort it takes to become a knowledgeable and skilled musician ... those are the people I share ideas with. Why? 'Cause I know they aren't leeches. I don't deal with leeches. I can spot 'em a mile away.

Nope.  I didn't know it.   

I took this:

I don't disagree, and I don't deal with musicians who think this way. If someone wants to learn MUSIC, I'll gladly teach. However, how I express myself, is how I express myself. You have a voice, use it! Anything else you want to learn, I'm definitely open to teach.

To mean that you don't share chords (how I express myself is how I express myself.)

It seems we're saying pretty much the same thing.

[MaestroDivine]

Do I have to spell this out for you, dude?

Sharing ideas doesn't mean that you and I are going to sound a like? If I share an idea with you, I expect for you to make it your own. Most people are not doing that when you share ideas with them.

Sometimes I think you just act like you don't know, just to be a pest, for real. How I can express myself IS how I express myself. Chords or chords ... runs or runs ... if I hear someone do something, I'm immediately thinking of how I can take this idea, and express it in a way that's unique to me.

Maybe some people don't know what it's like to be creative on the level. If they don't, then that's not on me. Ask God to bless you with creativity. However, don't suggest to me that I need to just dump my bag of tricks out on the table, so you can pick and grab...

To me, that's foolishness.

[MaestroDivine]

You know, in light of the drama going on in the drummer's forum, I'm going to step away from this thread.

Their is just way too much arrogance, and arguing on this messageboard, lately. For the record, YES I'm apart of the problem.

Div

[rjthakid]

 

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Well, you go take that valium and I'll see when you're a little more "relaxed".      

[Mysteryman]

I have show some young musicians things and the one I know take it to the extreme. I showed a few at my church some movements and I have to hear them wear it out the entire song or service. I have to watch them transpose on the keys or play the movement if it fits or not. I stopped giving them certain chords until they learn the basics. Lately for some reason they have been watching my hands and I either play simple or I play real fast. lol Why do this not because I dont want to show them anything but because I know them and they are not ready for it. Plus I dont want to have to hear you using that same movement 100 times before the benediction.

There are many musicians on LGM that still cant play the basics. You post the basics and the thread is gone before half the day. A few people say thanks or keep it up. I feel those are the musicians that want to learn and I will show every thing I know to.

Have you ever watched kung fu movies the master has a whole class of students but he will only teach one or a few the true secrets to his art. Why does he do this because some knuckle head might go out and use this art for evil or give his school a bad name.

Many musicians are out the and on this site looking to play the piano, organ, bass, drums or what ever. They are looking for chords and tight movements so they can show off at school in the band room or play their favorite lewd RnB artist songs for their friends. Many are not really seeking to do it for God.

About the 10 organist thing more than likely 8 out of those 10 organist will go play for the secular before the play for church. Im not saying all secular music is wrong but most musicians are still caught up in the hype. Big Business tell us what to listen to a watch. I will stop now before I hijack this thread. 

[rjthakid]

I have show some young musicians things and the one I know take it to the extreme. I showed a few at my church some movements and I have to hear them wear it out the entire song or service. I have to watch them transpose on the keys or play the movement if it fits or not. I stopped giving them certain chords until they learn the basics. Lately for some reason they have been watching my hands and I either play simple or I play real fast. lol Why do this not because I dont want to show them anything but because I know them and they are not ready for it. Plus I dont want to have to hear you using that same movement 100 times before the benediction.

There are many musicians on LGM that still cant play the basics. You post the basics and the thread is gone before half the day. A few people say thanks or keep it up. I feel those are the musicians that want to learn and I will show every thing I know to.

Have you ever watched kung fu movies the master has a whole class of students but he will only teach one or a few the true secrets to his art. Why does he do this because some knuckle head might go out and use this art for evil or give his school a bad name.

Many musicians are out the and on this site looking to play the piano, organ, bass, drums or what ever. They are looking for chords and tight movements so they can show off at school in the band room or play their favorite lewd RnB artist songs for their friends. Many are not really seeking to do it for God.

About the 10 organist thing more than likely 8 out of those 10 organist will go play for the secular before the play for church. Im not saying all secular music is wrong but most musicians are still caught up in the hype. Big Business tell us what to listen to a watch. I will stop now before I hijack this thread. 

We're saying the same thing basically.  Make sure someone knows the basics before you give them too much.  BUT once someone has a knowledge of the basics, and a good handle on theory, then you can be liberal.

I'm teaching my sister how to play the drums.  She repeatedly asks me for a fancy lick or slick groove she heard me do, and I repeatedly turn her down.  Why?  Because I've only been teaching her for a few weeks.  I still have to correct her stick grip every other practice.  lol.

She's still learning not to grip the sticks too tight.  To let the stick rebound.  She still learning her basic drum rudiments.  If I give her an advanced lick or groove right now, she can't do it.  And if she practices for a week until she can do it, it'll be sloppy, and she doesn't yet know how to apply it.

BUT once she's been playing for a while, has adequate technique, can keep decent time, and knows her rudiments, I'll gladly show her everything I know in the hopes that she'll be better than I am one day.