J. Moss: Child support case hurting reputation

[ArcaneValor]

**peeks in, shakes head, and walks back out**

You'll be back!

[renartamac21]

I have a question for all those who posted a comment, Are ya'll praying? I mean I just wanted to knw because thats what we should be doing as fellow believers of God. I mean to be honest and to comment to what T-block said, I came in here to read it because I was curious which I think was the reason why most of ya'll did.
We must not judge or make comments about things we really dnt knw about. He made a mistake, we all do and God forgives. Yes its a sad and dissappointing situation because of his reputation and how he looks to the people thats watching him but as long as he repented and asked for forgiveness and got up and dust himself off and not find himself in this place again, I say thank you lord. God is the only one the has the right to judge. God loves so much that he picks us up but he also lets us get so low so we can realize that its all about him and that without him, we are nothing. I knw some people will disagree with what I have said but Im praying for the man of GOD and his family.They will get thru this ordeal and come out victorious. He needs to look to God for direction and solution that way no one else has to be hurt or confused by this. 
I pray that this whole situation be a lesson for him as well for us.

God Bless

[ArcaneValor]

I have a question for all those who posted a comment, Are ya'll praying? I mean I just wanted to knw because thats what we should be doing as fellow believers of God. I mean to be honest and to comment to what T-block said, I came in here to read it because I was curious which I think was the reason why most of ya'll did.
We must not judge or make comments about things we really dnt knw about. He made a mistake, we all do and God forgives. Yes its a sad and dissappointing situation because of his reputation and how he looks to the people thats watching him but as long as he repented and asked for forgiveness and got up and dust himself off and not find himself in this place again, I say thank you lord. God is the only one the has the right to judge. God loves so much that he picks us up but he also lets us get so low so we can realize that its all about him and that without him, we are nothing. I knw some people will disagree with what I have said but Im praying for the man of GOD and his family.They will get thru this ordeal and come out victorious. He needs to look to God for direction and solution that way no one else has to be hurt or confused by this. 
I pray that this whole situation be a lesson for him as well for us.

God Bless

Welcome to LGM

[Jmanley1116]

I have a question for all those who posted a comment, Are ya'll praying? I mean I just wanted to knw because thats what we should be doing as fellow believers of God. I mean to be honest and to comment to what T-block said, I came in here to read it because I was curious which I think was the reason why most of ya'll did.
We must not judge or make comments about things we really dnt knw about. He made a mistake, we all do and God forgives. Yes its a sad and dissappointing situation because of his reputation and how he looks to the people thats watching him but as long as he repented and asked for forgiveness and got up and dust himself off and not find himself in this place again, I say thank you lord. God is the only one the has the right to judge. God loves so much that he picks us up but he also lets us get so low so we can realize that its all about him and that without him, we are nothing. I knw some people will disagree with what I have said but Im praying for the man of GOD and his family.They will get thru this ordeal and come out victorious. He needs to look to God for direction and solution that way no one else has to be hurt or confused by this. 
I pray that this whole situation be a lesson for him as well for us.

God Bless

Most of us aren't judging him.  We are commenting on a article that was written.   

[Loopy]

Most of us aren't judging him.  We are commenting on a article that was written.   

EXACTLY. I'm so sick of the "judge not" cop-out. 

An actual JUDGE is going to issue a JUDGEMENT about just how much child support he should pay. That is the law.

[LaylaMonroe]

3.)And this is where you lost me.

The M&M's analogy doesn't fly.  The M&M's should be put in separate bowls.   

How hard is it to cash the check, then put the money in an account for the boy?

When you withdraw the money, put it in an envelope with his name on it so you know it's his.  It can be done if you WANT to.

If the man has to follow the ruling of the court, then the woman should follow the ruling.  CHILD support is just that!

So when she goes grocery shopping, should she use that account to buy stuff for the kid, and her account to buy stuff for the rest of the household? What about bread? Eggs? Milk? Is some of the milk allocated to the child? Some of the eggs, bread? Certain potato chips?

How about when she pays the electricity bill? Does she determine how much usage was for the child versus the rest of the house?  She can estimate a usage per person figure, but if she's off by a dollar or two, is that stealing?

That's what I mean about the M&Ms being in the same bowl.  You don't have to agree, I just wanted to make my point a little clearer.

JMoss - musician, singer, songwriter, producer, husband, cheater, liar, deadbeat, father, abomination.

I hear the Word of the Lord saying, "and such were some of you, but ye were washed in the blood of the Lamb."

Thank you, Jesus.

[Loopy]

You know what, though, I see where AF is coming from.   It's not because she is the mother, but the fact of the matter is, that when the child lives with you, you by default have to make the majority of the sacrifices.  Couple that with the fact that his legitimate children have a certain standard of living of which this child has been deprived.  A lot of deadbeat dads complain because they are so afraid the child's mother will benefit minutely from what they pay, but SO DOGGONE WHAT!  If she lays her head in a nicer place so his child can live in a safe and comfortable place, then I say so be it.

I actually totally agree with this statement.

[under13]

So when she goes grocery shopping, should she use that account to buy stuff for the kid, and her account to buy stuff for the rest of the household? What about bread? Eggs? Milk? Is some of the milk allocated to the child? Some of the eggs, bread? Certain potato chips?

How about when she pays the electricity bill? Does she determine how much usage was for the child versus the rest of the house?  She can estimate a usage per person figure, but if she's off by a dollar or two, is that stealing?

No, but she (or he) shouldnt be dipped in Prada and gucci while the child is wearing rags. She shouldnt be spending that money  going to the spa while the child goes without. I'm sure we've all seen that happen. 

[LaylaMonroe]

No, but she (or he) shouldnt be dipped in Prada and gucci while the child is wearing rags. She shouldnt be spending that money  going to the spa while the child goes without. I'm sure we've all seen that happen. 

I totally agree.  See my other comments on the last page or two.

[ArcaneValor]

EXACTLY. I'm so sick of the "judge not" cop-out. 

An actual JUDGE is going to issue a JUDGEMENT about just how much child support he should pay. That is the law.

Man, I'm with you.

It ranks right up there with "All have sinned", and "God ain't through with me yet" as popular things saints say when they're caught doing dirt.

If you're wrong, you're wrong.

So when she goes grocery shopping, should she use that account to buy stuff for the kid, and her account to buy stuff for the rest of the household? What about bread? Eggs? Milk? Is some of the milk allocated to the child? Some of the eggs, bread? Certain potato chips?

How about when she pays the electricity bill? Does she determine how much usage was for the child versus the rest of the house?  She can estimate a usage per person figure, but if she's off by a dollar or two, is that stealing?

That's what I mean about the M&Ms being in the same bowl.  You don't have to agree, I just wanted to make my point a little clearer.

The example given was of a woman who takes money to get her nails done.  Groceries are a different story.  50/50 is the best way to go.  She spends $100 - take $50 from his money.  I wouldn't say she should measure what percentage of the food he eats vs. what she eats.  Everyone will be eating groceries, so 50/50 is fair (even if a 2yr old can't really eat 50%)

Utilities?  That should not come out of his money.  That's on her.

If I were JMoss I'd help with EVERYTHING.  But as for what he's RESPONSIBLE for, he's responsible for everything that pertains to the child.

I hear the Word of the Lord saying, "and such were some of you, but ye were washed in the blood of the Lamb."

Thank you, Jesus.

I hear the Word saying: "Shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound?  God forbid."
 

[nessalynn77]

I've seen both sides, my sister is a baby mama, and my brother is a baby daddy.  From those experiences I have really become very balanced in my view.  My brother has gone through hell and paid substantial child support and in return hasn't even gotten the opportunity to visit his child regularly.  The judges constantly rule in favor of the baby's mother although he has proof that she has never consistently followed the visitation agreement, and that he has always consistently paid what he is supposed to pay.   He had to let his attorney go because he couldn't afford him any longer, and in the end after being dragged through all of the process, he was no better off and had to pay HER court fees.  Not to mention he flew to LA for each visitation and each court date, often just to be told some lame excuse as to why he couldn't see his child or stand in front of the judge less than five minutes while he grants an extension and sets yet another court date.  Fair is what it ain't, it's enough to break anyone's spirit when they are trying all they know to be a good father.  

Totally irrelevant, but I felt like saying it, lol.

[Jmanley1116]

I've seen both sides, my sister is a baby mama, and my brother is a baby daddy.  From those experiences I have really become very balanced in my view.  My brother has gone through hell and paid substantial child support and in return hasn't even gotten the opportunity to visit his child regularly.  The judges constantly rule in favor of the baby's mother although he has proof that she has never consistently followed the visitation agreement, and that he has always consistently paid what he is supposed to pay.   He had to let his attorney go because he couldn't afford him any longer, and in the end after being dragged through all of the process, he was no better off and had to pay HER court fees.  Not to mention he flew to LA for each visitation and each court date, often just to be told some lame excuse as to why he couldn't see his child or stand in front of the judge less than five minutes while he grants an extension and sets yet another court date.  Fair is what it ain't, it's enough to break anyone's spirit when they are trying all they know to be a good father.  

Totally irrelevant, but I felt like saying it, lol.

I can give you some horror stories on the whole support system.

[under13]

I totally agree.  See my other comments on the last page or two.

I didnt get a chance to read the whole thread yet.

[csedwards2]

I hear the Word of the Lord saying, "and such were some of you, but ye were washed in the blood of the Lamb."

Thank you, Jesus.

Yo, I heard the same exact thing as I was reading that

[giftedone88]

bottom line from me, it great that he has to pay child support, but i would pray that his baby momma does what's necessary for the benefit of the child.

I would hope that she doesn't take any amount of money and spend it on herself. Anything left monthly would be better off in a college fund for the child. I've seen too many times baby mommas taking small amounts for little things..then they get comfortable and it turns into large amounts-not having anything to do wit their child.

If she wants her nails done, $10 dollars or not let her get a better paying job ($10 every two weeks can add up a lot over 17 years in a CD account) matter of fact use that towards his insurance which im quite sure she probably gonna claim him on hers eventually; if she wants a new weave-let her buy it; and if she wants prada-let her buy it...i say that b/c so often times some single parents live check to check on child support-then when lil JR. gets sick...they calling cuz they don't got no money-you know its true...

Above all...money is little to me in this situation--- it's just the fact that this child need an ACTIVE father in their life. A positive role model. What good is repentance if you still are going to ignore your own seed...

Lastly, Guys....paying child support DOES NOT MAKE YOU A FATHER.

[giftedone88]

P.S. Thank you all for caring enough to post in this thread. Something you read within that article sparked a feeling of some kind in your so thanks for your opinions. I like to know what others feel different life situation, I think this turned out to be a great and very opinionated thread.

[giftedone88]

Clarification: when i said care...i meant care about the overall situation not J-Moss. lol

[brutha28]

And the bible says 'be sure that your sins find you out'.....um looks like someones sins are sounding out loud and clear for all u church folks that say dont judge or dont u say that...  ok  we'll let the facts speak...

[brutha28]

There's a huge difference between facts and an opinion.  Secular artists have songs that reach and even bless in some cases.  But in that said thread you basically downed the whole genre as well as being one who claimed to know someone's spirit. 

Funny that you never spoke up about J. Moss until now.  J. Moss has written songs that truly minister, but you missed that as I have posted a couple of his songs on here because they were powerful.  So in that case I got something from it.  He even spoke on this subject in one of his songs before this went public.  He atoned to God in that song.  Doesn't matter if you accept it because it aint up to you.  Yes he was wrong, and I don't let him slide on that, but I also don't treat this as if he's the only person out there doing something foul behind closed doors. 

In my musical pursuits I've met a few popular rappers and R&B singers that were some of the most cordial and genuine people you'd ever wanna meet and then met a few in gospel that were straight up snobs.  I'm really speaking to no avail here so I'll just stop right there.   


You may want to consider changing your screen name to JohnKerry28 because you are seriously flip-flopping right about now.

I keep my post's and responses respectable.... i dont call people out in the response... so I'd appreciate if you do the same...

[LisaE]

Uh, question - isn't GOD the ultimate judge anyway, of ALL OF US?

Plus I always go by - we don't know the WHOLE story.

Enough said